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Article seems pretty flawed. Relevance is a vague metric, and the author relies pretty heavily on data related to government site visitation, which seems subject to bias toward certain types of users.

Market share is likely still incredibly low, but Firefox's relevance should be spiking right now due to Google's shenanigans with Chromium. The fact that like 90% of revenue for its for-profit wing is from Google is still troubling.

Any alternative views out there?

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[–] yournamehere@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago (6 children)

but when you tell the moz fanboys why moz sucks you'll find yourself in a meta/maga like echochamber. again and again moz made absolute shit decisions, the managing board is eating money like mad and google is STILL your default search engine. pathetic.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 months ago

What I don't get is why hasn't there been a split yet. Not like Seamonkey, but from major developers of FF.

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[–] CaptKoala@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

My government sites don't work with Firefox (no add-ons), have to use chrome, they recommend and only support chrome.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 5 points 10 months ago

May I ask which country you're from? That sounds dystopian.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Use chrome for government sites and Firefox for everything else.

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[–] John@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 10 months ago

Few years ago(maybe 10) it was still recommended or even necessary to use IE for a lot of goverment Internet Services here in Germany. The online Zoll handling for example. I think a lot of goverments are not really into accesibility optimization.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

I don't think the zdnet article adds much but it does link to https://news.itsfoss.com/firefox-continuous-decline/ which gets it about right. If anything has changed since it was written, evidence of it has not yet reached me.

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

“You’re just a tiny minority, most people like the change”

They did the same shit with their redesign with their idiotic floating tabs. They look ugly and they even take up way more space, while displaying less information, for literally no reason. They argued the need this change for future FF features, which yet, several years later, have yet to appear. Here's a quote from "Paul", one of their moderators - almost 3 years ago:

Hi,

We bring a modernized and differentiated look to tabs since Firefox 89 in order to create a signature Firefox look and experience. This major redesign will help us enable more use cases and features in the future.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1338169

I love Firefox and will continue to use it, but its decline is a mixture of Google's aggressive embrace, extend, and extinguish approach and straight up continued mismanagement of the Mozilla Corporation.

[–] ConstableJelly@beehaw.org 2 points 10 months ago

Boy that paints a grim picture.

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[–] pipows@lemmy.today 5 points 10 months ago

I guess Firefox market share will be closely related to Linux desktop market share

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Firefox has been irrelevant for about a decade now. Most webdevs don't even test for firefox anymore. Major websides actively ignore it and most users evidently either don't know and/or use it.

Yes, firefox is relevant as an alternative to Chromium-based browsers, but that's about it. Mozilla has done a stellar job at keeping it irrelevant to keep bagging that sweet google money.

Honestly, I hope firefox and mozilla die, to be reborn again by another entity, but Mitchell Baker probably will do their best to keep getting that sweet, sweet, Google money.

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[–] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Only thing I miss in Firefox is PWA, but I still mainly use it.

[–] kzhe@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 months ago

There's an extension which allows PWAs.

[–] SeedyOne@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

What a ridiculous title, article and post.

[–] Firipu@startrek.website 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

The day Firefox gets native mouse gestures is the day I swap. Until then will continue to be a very happy Vivaldi user.

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[–] Frederic@beehaw.org 3 points 10 months ago (18 children)

I only use FF in Linux, I tried on Android but it's somewhat bad 😔

[–] Floon@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

Working just fine for me...

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

I've found the reason it's not great on mobile is because even if you tell your android phone to use Firefox as default it simply ignores it and uses chrome anyways

Edit: I was able to get it to work properly as my default browser but I had to disable chrome in the app settings. Now it's great

[–] vvv@programming.dev 6 points 10 months ago

You can disable chrome in it's app settings!

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

Disable chrome. Problem solved.

[–] uninvitedguest@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

What phone do you use that you experience this?

[–] ares35@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

be sure to actually launch firefox and don't use the google 'app' either.

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