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Shazam’ Star Zachary Levi Calls Out Hollywood For Output Of “Garbage” Content (deadline.com)
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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 61 points 1 year ago (4 children)

He's not wrong, but there a couple of problems:

A) Your average movie goer isn't capable of telling from a trailer if a movie is going to be garbage or not. Heck, your average movie goer can't tell from watching THE MOVIE if it's garbage or not.

B) Levi's last flick, while not exactly a hot mess, wasn't exactly great either. The Skittles product placement was 110% un-necessary and backpedaling to go "no, no, it's a family movie, see?" lowers the bar for family movies.

Just looking at this year, Cocaine Bear and The Machine probably didn't need to happen.

[–] coyootje@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I feel like you can't really watch trailers anymore nowadays, they tend to give away a lot of the story already. For example, I watched the trailer for the Meg 2 and it already gave away most of the twists and who would die. I know that they have to try and hype you up but it sucks when they basically spoil the movie.

[–] kingmongoose7877@lemmy.film 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your opinion on trailers is nothing new and you're not wrong. But then you went and chose MEG 2 as your example??? 🤔 Like that movie was an Agatha Christie mystery or something?! 🤣

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[–] coyootje@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was just an example, I could've used most other modern movies as an example as well. It's just the most recent movie I saw and it happens to be a guilty pleasure of my GF to watch shark movies (besides sharknado, that's just way too bad), before that I saw Oppenheimer and MI 7 so I'd like to think that my taste in movies is pretty varied.

[–] kingmongoose7877@lemmy.film 8 points 1 year ago

No, no, my apologies! I didn't intend to imply anything. I just found the example you chose amusing!

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 9 points 1 year ago

This comment reminds me of right as I was about to watch The Meg, someone told me they were blown away by the twist. "Bro, wait for it, holy shit" and "the twist" was the most predictable thing that could have happened. The fucking shark died with most of the movie left to go, how is ANOTHER SHARK a fucking crazy twist??

[–] awkpen@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Just to note, this is so not new that the original trailers for the original release of Planet of the Apes spoiled the ending way back in 1968. And here we are today......

[–] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it's more an American thing.

Look at the Arrietty Trailer:

UK version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQXi1bKfiTM

US version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlMe7PavaRQ

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[–] soupspoon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On the opposite end, from watching the trailer I could not understand how Barbie was going to be as good as people said, it seemed so one note! I'm so glad it wasn't all shown to me ahead of time

[–] coyootje@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I haven't seen the Barbie movie but I've heard more people say that the trailer is nothing like the movie. Interesting, maybe this will make film companies reconsider their trailer strategies.

[–] CeleryFC@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cocaine Bear was freaking awesome! Sometimes people don’t need an amazingly deep experience and just want to relax and enjoy themselves and have a good time.

[–] kingmongoose7877@lemmy.film 2 points 1 year ago

I don't know about Cocaine Bear but you're absolutely right about the "amazingly deep experience".

On the other hand, I don't need a movie to treat me like a drooling idiot either. Which is more or less the topic at hand.

[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would argue your second statement in A) assumes that a movie can objectively be rated good or bad. Plus it also seems to claim to know exactly what people want to see from a movie. Never s fan when someone seems to say, "I know better than you do what you like."

I'll agree a trailer doesn't always do a good job. But to claim a person can't tell if what they watched is good is hardly a statement a same person would make. Possibly a narcissist would say it. Or someone else full of themselves.

There is obviously technique that can be graded, but that doesn't make a movie.

[–] coyootje@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree, movies are art and art is (mostly) subjective. Not everyone likes going to the Fast and Furious movies for example but the audience that's there for it tends to love it. Same with things like Star Wars or Top Gun. All you can objectively say is whether the movie was technically shot well and for that you need knowledge of making movies.

[–] RyanHeffronPhoto@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Movies are made for different reasons. Some are made for the 'art', but some are made simply for entertainment. Shitty B-movies are a whole genere about being so 'bad' they're fun, and that's they're purpose. Fast and Furious movies aren't being made for the art.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Movies can absolutely be objectively rated good or bad, all the component pieces can be good or bad, writing, acting, directing, pacing, hell, even lighting, editing and special effects.

The problem is your average movie goer can't tell the difference. Sure, if something is ESPECIALLY bad like the visual effects in the Flash, they'll pick up on that.

Quite more often something can be entirely awful and the reaction is "Well, I had fun..." That doesn't make it "good".

[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can have a good movie with poor elements and a poor movie with great elements. I'd even argue you can have a good movie with bad acting. Plus, it's all about the intent of the movie, as with any piece of art. Cocaine Bear had an intent. It fulfilled that intent. Claiming that art can objectively be rated is naive.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.one -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Plan 9 From Outer Space is a terrible movie.

Ed Wood is amazing.

I'm sure you can tell the difference.

[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know what you expect to accomplish with this. If you want to make an argument by example, be prepared to make it exhaustive, otherwise it's simply anecdotal. Anecdotes does not an argument make.

My point is that this is a very subjective realm. You can know all you want about technique and still make a bad movie. And someone who knows nothing can still make a good movie. The odds don't work in their favor, sure, but it's possible. Technique just helps, but it's neither a requirement nor a guarantee. And part of determining whether a film is done well is knowing the film's purpose and theme. Cult classics exist for a reason. They aren't "bad." They're just not popular with folks who didn't get it. You will always be colored by your biases. You can not like a film but that doesn't mean it was unnecessary. You aren't an authority as much as you want to pretend to the throne.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.one -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's not at all subjective and, again, if you doubt that, sit down and watch Plan 9 and Ed Wood back to back.

One is generally accepted to be the worst film ever made, the other won two Academy Awards.

If you legit can't tell why which film falls into which category, you're precisely the problem I outlined in A)

[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I feel like you just like hearing yourself talk because you clearly ignored almost everything I said. If you're going to act like a brick wall, there's no point in discussion until you even come close to remotely acknowledging any of my points let alone refuting them. I get you took a film class. It doesn't make you an auteur.

[–] cre0@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

it’s entirely subjective after you clear some very basic benchmarks.

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[–] wrath-sedan@kbin.social 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How self-aware of him.

[–] HellAwaits@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe we just need to let Hollywood do the AI thing for a while so people can see how creatively bankrupt the execs are.

The problem with that though, lots of studios are already creatively bankrupt and most people don't seem to care. IMO the recent Mario movie could've been a hell of a lot better and instead, it's like a really tasty candy that loses it's flavor fast. 90% of Hollywood's releases today fall under that same category of quality and it's still making studio lots of money.

Obviously I fully support the writer's strike, but I'm afraid it might just mean fuck all in the end because the population just doesn't seem to care about good story structure and character chemistry and such. I realize Mario may just be a kids movie, but so was The Incredibles and that movie had way better story structure.

[–] RonJonGuaido@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yes, mario didn't even say "here we go" or "wahoo" or "mama mia".

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Sad tired-sounding "let's a-go" intensifies mario

[–] CraigeryTheKid@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Sorry but Mario was awesome. I'm in my 40s.

Otherwise agree on post, just odf example.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh the irony.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Actors didn't write or direct or produce the movie. They just act in whatever is written, directed, and produced.

[–] altair222@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The same guy who likes joe rogan and jordan peterson

[–] Sl00k@programming.dev 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Comments like this contribute nothing. Sure it's true but it has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation at hand and is unnecessary.

Instead let's have a discussion, do you think Hollywood has had a stream of Garbage content lately?

[–] PunchingBag@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes, streams of piss-soaked garbage content such as Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson. They and their fans are braindead morons that are driving the dumbing-down effect that they themselves want to complain about.

EDIT: Also given Levi's controversial opinions, which he readily claims he has lifted directly from aforementioned podcasters, we should probably be concerned as to what he considers "garbage."

[–] altair222@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago

Precisely. Giving fascists or conforming liberals a platform and authority does nothing good for cinema

[–] altair222@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago

Sure, lets hear about integrity of art from someone who associates himself with people who are epitome of dissociated academic inauthenticity.

[–] Dankry@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Agreed, Shazam 2 was garbo.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

who?

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

You didn't watch Chuck back in the mid 2000s?

[–] YaaAsantewaa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah idk either