cross-posted from: https://quokk.au/c/mop/p/772065/don-t-fall-prey-to-ecofascist-propaganda
The overpopulation agenda is just Malthusianism and Eugenics in disguise.
this post was submitted on 21 Mar 2026
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I mean, we are overpopulated, but the solution is just to have fewer kids. Yeah, us older folks will suffer the consequences of less young people to care for us in our old age, but after that's over, things could be pretty nice for the planet.
I mean, we are overpopulated
No. The problem ISN'T that there's too many people. The problem is that rich people and rich countries are hogging almost all the resources so there's not enough to go around.
You're doing exactly what the meme is warning against.
the solution is just to have fewer kids
While that's probably a good idea for most on the micro (specific family) scale, on a macro (country, continent, planet) scale, it does almost nothing compared to better resource distribution.
us older folks will suffer the consequences of less young people to care for us in our old age
That's ALSO more of a distribution problem: with better compensation and working conditions, more people of all ages who are themselves healthy enough to do the job would care for seniors professionally, and with better social service budgets, more seniors would be able to afford it.
Moreover, people in other professions having fewer working hours and better pay per hour would allow them the time and economic breathing room to better care for their family members in their free time, which would mean fewer offspring per family would be needed for it
but after that's over, things could be pretty nice for the planet.
No. The resource hogging rich people would still be poisoning everything by perpetuating reliance on fossil fuels and other genocidal economic behaviors.
Every single problem attributed to overpopulation can be solved by distributing resources away from corporations and billionaires towards things that actually improve the well-being of humans in general AND the planet.
Pretending otherwise is helping the oppressive elite whether you intend to or not.
I mean, you could probably fit four families in my apartment, but does anyone want to live that way? It's not a question of how many people the planet can hold, it's a question of how many people would be comfortable for it to hold. And that's not even getting into the fact that other creatures have a right to be here also.
you could probably fit four families in my apartment,
So you're quite comfortable, right? Just saying how you feel about the poors? jfc.
that’s not even getting into the fact that other creatures have a right to be here also.
Yes, veganism makes the planet vastly more sustainable. We're nowhere near the limits...
Unless you need hamburgers to be comfortable? In that case we should castrate the poor. \s
No, I live in a pretty small place. My point is that we could probably find all kinds of ways to cram way more people on the planet. But would we want to? Is that really the world anyone wants to live in?
actual eugenics propaganda
Nope, I think the world would be better with less of everyone.
and yet you are only advocating that English speaking lemmy users stop procreating.
The fact that I don't speak any other languages doesn't imply that I'm only referring to English speakers. That's a ridiculous argument.
And I don't advocate that people stop procreating. I don't actually advocate anything, but I don't personally think it would be a net harm if the entire population of the world chose to have less children for a generation or two.
I don’t understand how, logically, overpopulation is related to immigration. It’s the same number of people, just in different places.
The tiger would prefer if the immigrants were overpopulated someplace far away from the tiger.
NIMBY bullshit. Of course. Thanks!
I came here to comment this exact same thing. I feel like you have to be a real particular sort of person to both not be racist AND fall victim to this sort of rhetoric. There’s gotta be what? Like… five of those people in the world? Everyone who believes this pretty much just has to be racist.
The only way I can see that making any sense is if it's immigration into a very resource-poor area. Maybe a desert or tundra? I guess Las Vegas comes to mind, it's overpopulated for what is naturally found there. Areas like the Sahara desert especially.
Other than that kind of very specific circumstance, definitely racist.
We (the Netherlands) is overpopulated. 40% of social housing is taken by immigrants (of all sorts - expats, refugee, etc) There's a severe housing shortage, because we can't build houses fast enough, because we have a nitrogen problem (it's too high in most regions, so we can't build as much as we want), as well as not enough people who build the houses.
100k migrants coming in per year. I say close the border to alleviate the housing problem, until the nitrogen + building problem has been solved.
"Oh, but muh GDP" - I don't give a damn if I (and many others) have to wait 10+ years to be even able to see the first available fucking house. This situation is insane!
If my basic (Physiological) needs from Maslow’s Hierarchy Of Needs can't even be met: fuck the rest of humanity.
Gunther put that down!
The ecology has value insofar it provides humanity with resources to live. When you fall for ecofascism you necessarily exclude someone from humanity. Please don't do it.
I'm OK with excluding billionaires from humanity. I am not a perfect person.
I like the fire but I don't think it's a good precedent to exclude bad people from humanity, more accurately from basic human decency. IMO that does NOT mean that the billionaires don't get the wall, they ought to get the wall at a bare minimum as self-defense against their ongoing violence against the working class, but they should only get the wall and nothing worse than what is needed (e.g. torture).
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