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    [–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 156 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    They're not supposed to have both installed.

    [–] palordrolap@fedia.io 62 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    Pipewire is newer and emulates PulseAudio so that it can be used as a drop-in replacement. There's literally a command called pipewire-pulse related to this.

    It makes me wonder if they really have both installed or are mistaking Pipewire's emulation for an active PulseAudio installation, and so it's just Pipewire that's acting up.

    I'd say reboot, but being in space might be one of those times where that's a non-starter. In which case, they're going to have to get their hands dirty unpicking system hooks and trying to reattach them all again as and when Pipewire's working again, assuming it doesn't do that automatically.

    I never had a problem with either Pipewire or real PulseAudio back when that was current. I had motherboard sound physically pop, requiring the purchase of a separate sound card, but never a driver issue, so I can't even imagine what might be going on.

    [–] Ghoelian@piefed.social 108 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    I'm pretty sure this is a meme based on the real report that they had 2 instances of outlook on windows and not real.

    [–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Wait, they had two instances of not real? They are learning too much.

    [–] Ghoelian@piefed.social 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    Sorry I am autistic and often don't know how to properly formulate my thoughts into sentences :D

    [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

    You're in the right place, most social media users can't properly formulate their thoughts into sentences, lol.

    [–] edgarde@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

    Dad, don't do this in front of my friends. You're embarrassing me.

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    [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 129 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    This is a joke right? Yesterday I saw a post that outlook was a problem for them

    [–] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 160 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    Yes it’s a joke referencing the two Outlook instances issue, but for Linux people

    [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    Haha thanks. I feel dense in retrospect

    [–] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 59 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    Sometimes satire is hard to detect in this joke of a reality we’re living in.

    [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago

    Ain't that the truth. Have a good evening!

    [–] grue@lemmy.world 59 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    Real talk, though: why has Linux taken at least five tries (OSS, ALSA, JACK, PulseAudio, PipeWire) to get audio right?!

    [–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 94 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    OSS came first, then got replaced by ALSA after it became proprietary.

    PulseAudio is a userspace audio server to which programs connect. It manages audio settings per app, then sends everything to ALSA. JACK is the same but with a focus on low latency.

    PipeWire is a modern drop-in replacement for both, and also has support for video on Wayland.

    [–] heliotrope@retrofed.com 21 points 2 weeks ago

    And then there's also sndio, ported from OpenBSD. This does basically the same thing as OSS/ALSA.

    [–] Evotech@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    That’s the thing about open source. Someone always thinks they can do better

    [–] Virtvirt588@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

    That's not a feature thats exclusive to open source though. Circular reasoning like this just distracts from the fact that software just like hardware is constantly evolving, even in personal spaces. Thinking someone can do better has no relevance on the "open source" aspect or the political leaning.

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    [–] hzl@piefed.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I'm still waiting for the latency to be viable for playing guitar with an audio interface.

    [–] Alphare@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    I'm using pipewire just fine to do so? I just needed to set the buffer size to something appropriately low and I've had no issues from popewire's side

    [–] RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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    [–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    Ohhhhhh the newbies don't remember EsounD (~~Enlightenment~~ Enlightened Sound Daemon). Basically, it was an attempt at doing PulseAudio-esque stuff way back in the OSS era. Which is to say, it just supported software mixing of multiple audio sources, because OSS usually only allowed single process to output audio. EsounD was janky and didn't work well, obviously. Probably the neatest thing about it was that it exposed the mixed output stream to any other app, so that made visualisers much easier to make (edit: another thing that newbies in this day and age don't realise, but I cannot emphasise enough how crucial visualisers were for the late 1990s / early 2000s music experience). ALSA basically supported hardware mixing (if available) out of the box, so of course it immediately became my favourite.

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    [–] Tanoh@lemmy.world 43 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    I actually had a sound issue the other day. Just no sound, how weird. It worked the day before. Checked wpactl, volumes etc, everything was fine and working. Restarted pipewire, still no sound.

    Turns out my external mixer lost power because the powet socket was slightly loose.

    [–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 32 points 2 weeks ago

    Can't believe Linux would do such a thing

    [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 42 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    Systemd just keeps asking me for govt id, I didn't bring it with me to space

    Thanks Dylan

    [–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 42 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    This is psyop, they run windows up there, their outlook doesn't work, and everyone kinda accepted that.

    [–] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
    [–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Most of psyops are done via memes nowadays

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    [–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    fake. pipewire is actually awesome.

    that nagging sleep issue though? yeah...

    [–] Baggie@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    Sleep is my favourite function to complain about, it breaks shit at random on windows and Linux, nobody seems to know why or how. The fact that sleep works as well as it does on consoles and steam deck is a miracle to me.

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    [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    actually awesome

    It shits the bed about weekly for me. I'm glad it's working reliably for someone.

    [–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago

    pipewire was actually the magic end of all my audio issues on all my computers. what kind of setup do you run?

    [–] RustyNova@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    Funny thing, but it's windows I got problem sound problems with. Randomly decide to ignore mic, speakers doesn't get out of "phone call quality mod". Every time I need to disconnect then reconnect just for my colleagues to hear me out.

    Linux? No problem. Easy effects run perfectly too (except when low CPU availability... But everything at that point gets problems)

    [–] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    Being in IT with windows 11 is awful.

    "Why isn't my mic/audio working?"

    Me: "Idk, restart the computer"

    "That fixed it. I don't understand, it was just working yesterday. Why did it stop working?"

    Me: "Windows 11 sucks..."

    Not to mention how awful it is being in a teams call as the IT guy and my mic isn't working because, again, windows is ass

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    [–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    But on a serious note, mine just jumps up and down in volume randomly

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    [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

    Wow. I've just stepped out of the office for a rage break because pipewire shat the bed again. It's amazing how sound seems to be a solved problem 5 or 10 years ago but now it's just offal.

    edit:

    $ systemctl status --user pipewire
    Failed to connect to user scope bus via local transport: $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS and $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not defined (consider using --machine=<user>@.host --user to connect to bus of other user)
    

    wheeeee

    [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    That's not a pipewire problem, that's a systemctl problem.

    Failed to connect to user scope bus via local transport: $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS and $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not defined

    The error means systemctl --user can't reach your user's D-Bus session because the required environment variables aren't set. This typically happens when you've switched users via su or sudo rather than logging in directly, because htose don't initialize a full systemd/PAM session. It could also be that your session wasn't properly initialized by systemd-logind or a number of other things. Try spawning a proper user session:

    sudo machinectl shell your_username@
    

    and try the systemctl command again.

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    [–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (15 children)

    My pipewire seems to have issues with crackling audio and severely dampening my mic and I have no clue why.

    Still better than Windows.

    [–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

    My pipewire seems to have issues with crackling audio and severely dampening my mic and I have no clue why.

    Pipewire's default quantum (buffer size, effectively) is incredibly low, this is good for low latency audio but anytime your system is too busy to keep the buffers filled you get crackling.

    If you look at pw-top you'll see all of your devices and nodes. The quant column is probably 1 or a very small number for the devices.

    You can increase the quantum with this command. This only lasts until pipewire restarts:

     pw-metadata -n settings 0 clock.min-quantum 512
    

    At a sample rate of 48000, this is roughly a 10ms buffer. 1024 is 20ms, etc. You want it as low as possible without getting crackling. Start with 512 and adjust from there (you don't have to use a power of 2, a quantum of 1234 works just as well).

    severely dampening my mic and I have no clue why.

    By default pipewire doesn't do any 'mic boost', as Windows calls it. You can get the same effect by raising the maximum volume.

    In your sound control panel you should be able to turn the mic up higher than 100%. In KDE Plasma, you can do this in System Settings -> Sound -> Configure Volume Controls... [top right button] -> Raise maximum volume.

    Alternatively, you can use EasyEffects to add a compressor. This will boost your mic volume and also prevent it from getting too loud

    Compressors basically reduce the dynamic range of an audio signal by attenuating loud sounds and boosting quieter ones, this would provide a better mix.

    Other useful plug-ins are noise canceling, (kills background noise) and echo canceling (lets you play sound out of your speakers which won't get picked up by your mic). Sometimes apps, like Discord, will do this signal processing for you while others, like Signal, do no signal processing.

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    [–] kivihiili@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    all the new technology!!

    oh, now there is no sound...

    [–] Pman@lemmy.org 7 points 2 weeks ago

    For we all live underground

    [–] melfie@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    My Mint laptop audio stopped working for a couple months and then miraculously fixed itself this week. I made various attempts to fix it with no luck. It’s either a hardware issue or some obscure software issue.

    In the past, I had plugged in a HDMI cable to mirror the screen and couldn’t get the audio working again until I plugged it back into HDMI and switched it back to the internal speakers before unplugging HDMI. Before the audio broke this time, I had connected a USB microphone, so it’s possible that’s what did it.

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    [–] epicshepich@programming.dev 9 points 2 weeks ago

    My laptop is Mint and it's never given me audio issues. My gaming rig is Nobara and the only audio issue I've had with it is that I forgot to switch the output to the TV.

    [–] tjhrulz@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    I feel this one. Used to daily drive Linux but due to a work requirement had to switch to Windows several years back. Windows has been getting shittier and shittier and I no longer need to use Windows for work and it only just gets shittier so I just switched to CachyOS and love it. Except the one and only issue I haven't been able to fix is audio. I use a Bluetooth speaker on my computer and it cuts out randomly even using low bit rate audio streams. Tried switching pulseaudio to pipewire because the internet said I could increase the latency and that that would fix it but no dice.

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    [–] LorIps@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago
    [–] clav64@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

    They're just like me! I have no idea which I'm using either.

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