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cross-posted from : https://lemmy.zip/post/62209262

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[–] Asetru@feddit.org 173 points 1 week ago (21 children)

the breakthrough that makes EVs safer than ICE cars

Did Toyota write this? EVs already are much safer than ICEs, the headline reads like it's trying to gaslight people into thinking otherwise.

[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 56 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Except ones with no handles. You're supposed to burn alive in these.

[–] Asetru@feddit.org 16 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Which has nothing to do with the drive train.

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[–] Soup@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Except their weight which leads to insane amounts of energy transfer and also none of the intrastructure, like guardrails, is built to handle that much weight so low down.

The way to safer is to reduce the amount of cars.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

The way to safer is to reduce the amount of cars.

Hersey! Blasphemy! Unamerican!

[–] Asetru@feddit.org 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

First time I ever heard about guardrails having issues with EVs. Do you have a source for that?

Also the comment was about the fire risk, which the article was about.

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[–] Romkslrqusz@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 week ago (5 children)

EVs already are much safer than ICEs

For the occupant or those who are involved in a collision with one?

EVs are heavy

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[–] adeoxymus@lemmy.world 114 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Maybe a bit irrelevant but why is the article calling it “China’s battery“? I feel like if the researchers were from any other countries academy of science, say France, the title would have simply been something like “scientists discover new ways for fireproof battery”. Maybe it’d say French scientists or so, but not simply “France’s battery”?

[–] Sheppa@aussie.zone 30 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Because cool China is so totally innovative unlike the boring west! We gotta hype them up, no one else ever does cool stuff only China brand is cool.

[–] greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They have been trying to murder the US and EU auto industry and dumping biblical shittons of money into battery technology. the EU and the US aren't trying to compete.

Its still an advancement for all mankind, even if my countries leadership wont let me have one.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They have been trying to murder the US and EU auto industry and dumping biblical shittons of money into battery technology. the EU and the US aren’t trying to compete.

China invests in R&D, Trump slashed scientific research.

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[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Classic fluff piece to make China look more innovative than they actually are. I wouldn‘t be surprised if we never heard of this tech or if they recycle the same article next year. Tech ‚journalism‘ about China is a mine field of false claims and exaggerations.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.wtf 22 points 1 week ago

Sodium ion batteries are already in cars in China, this iteration is even safer. You should read the article.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Na+ batteries are really cool tech, and with a few more iterations of R&D they can potentially replace Li+ batteries, removing the need for rare earth elements that are toxic to people and the environment, dangerous to extract, and more often than not extracted by child slave labor (such as in Xinjiang and Congo).

It doesn't matter how you feel about China, although framing Na+ as "China's battery" is problematic for other reasons.

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[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

These batteries are already in production cars. Have been for a while. If you don’t have access to them it’s because of your regressive protectionist government.

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[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 64 points 1 week ago (8 children)

This from the people that gave us fireworks... traditions disappear so fast...

[–] conartistpanda@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

God forbid someone does a humor

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 29 points 1 week ago (13 children)

The "they catch fire" argument is fucking bonkers anyway.

If there's one thing petrol cars are famous for, it's being filled with flammable liquids that can and do leak everywhere and combust upon collision.

You can ignore them. Same with all the disingenuous cunts who complain about wind turbines "spoiling the view" who ignore the coal and gas power stations that have littered the skyline for over a century.

[–] bebabalula@feddit.dk 26 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Uh, EVs are safer than ICE cars

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[–] SolarMonkey@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

I thought sodium batteries had considerably less energy density than conventional? Is that not a problem anymore? If that hasn't been solved, I don’t see how this helps make EVs safer.

[–] EisFrei@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago (16 children)

They indeed have less energy density, but I don't get your point about less safety.

They work better in high and low temperatures, can be charged a lot faster and don't degrade as fast. Sodium isn't as reactive as Lithium, lowering the risk of fires.

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[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I recall reading the same.

Sodium batteries make loads of sense for house batteries like solar storage.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They should be the default for solar installations and grid-level storage, but are too new.

They can also replace lead-acid batteries for many applications.

Lithium will still rule microelectronics and wearables, but all lower density stuff should switch to sodium.

That being said, for cold environments like Scandinavia and the US Midwest & canada, sodium ion works better in both cold and heat swings than Lithium variants that it might be worth the tradeoff in capacity because in the long cold months, the reduced capacity and performance of lithium chemistries would completely close the gap anyways.

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[–] gointhefridge@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Am I the only one who has never heard the term “ICE” referring to Internal Combustion Engine vehicles? I hate how headlines deliberately make new acronyms or limit context to get people to click on the article.

[–] Hiro8811@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

I've heard of it before

[–] ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

It's very old... decades, and when talking about EVs and hybrids, an obviously quick way to reference conventional gas engine vehicles. The term is just unfortunately carrying some more recent baggage.

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