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[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 100 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Do nothing about school shootings. Destroy hobbies and manufacturing instead. America is rotting from the inside.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

America has been rotting from the inside since WW2 (MIC, FBI and CIA terrorism, etc), then supercharged with Reagan. Frankly, it's surprising it took this long.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And this is fucking progressive ass Cali.

The left and the right can't stop fucking with their bases long enough to fix real problem.

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[–] WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 129 points 6 days ago (4 children)

From who are these awful ideas in California governing coming from

[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 120 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago

Who are owned by private equity for sovereign wealth funds pushing for nothing but returns. Hence they don't care if they sign on the line with Goebbels or enshittify their product into uselessness.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 63 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

The lobbying power of tech companies that profit from proprietary technology and feel threatened by open source. The same people who are behind DRM on everything from ebooks and music to printer inks, and legal restrictions on repairing the devices you own.

[–] Mondoshawan@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 days ago

This but it's not just tech companies, it's all companies and a feature of our lovely system 🙃

[–] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

Anti-gun/gun control lobby would be my first guess. You can basically print all the serialized parts (the part required for registration) for most any gun then get the rest of the parts and assemble it yourself. The gun parts don't necessarily even need to be based on an actual manufactured gun, there are designs for completely homemade guns down to the barrel using parts you can easily pick up at any hardware store. Then there are also people who are printing parts that can turn some semi-automatic guns into selectable fully automatic.

Problem is the plans are already in the wild for printing gun parts and for open source printers. I don't know what good would accomplish to deter people from printing when the person targeted is already motivated enough to print one to begin with.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 51 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Making a gun is already illegal in California and Washington. This stupid law won't make any difference. If someone is willing to break the law to make a gun, they probably are not going to follow this law either. 3D printed guns are rarely used to commit crimes anyways. It takes a lot of time and effort to get one to work well.

This is probably about companies like Bamboo Labs wanting an excuse to lock down printers even more. It will also make it difficult or impossible for smaller companies to sell 3D printers in California to get rid of competition.

[–] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 17 points 6 days ago

Yeah, kinda reminds me of when Sony music put a rootkit virus on their music CDs except this time it's going through the state governments to encrypted things. This also feels as dumb as making math illegal in terms of outlawing encryption or making some numbers illegal because when arranged in a certain way they are an .stl file for a copyrighted character or an .mp3 file for a song.

This is just making something that is already illegal more illegal and opening a massive hole for government and corpo spying.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 10 points 6 days ago

And probably an attempt to get licensing fees from printing STL file, so you can't print any Disney figurine without paying them.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 days ago

The problem with 3D printers is people are repairing things with parts made on them. We can't have that.

[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Nope. This is actually an anti right to repair bill. The gun narrative is just the trojan horse, just like they're doing with ID verification.

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[–] qqq@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Could you also just make these same parts out steel or aluminum? Seems like a weird arbitrary line to essentially say what material you can make them out of and what equipment you can use. Or are benchtop CNCs gonna be banned next?

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

Not sure about the California bill, but the similar shit out of Washington state does have language for subtractive manufacturing as well as additive. They basically are targeting any computer controlled manufacturing.

It all feels so obviously stupid when there are people on the internet selling partially complete metal parts with instructions for how to finish them completely unrestricted. They obviously aren't worried about stopping the "ghost gun problem", they are worried about people having the means of production and the right to repair things they own.

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[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 10 points 6 days ago

Washington State. They have a identical (or at least similar) bill I heard about last month.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 33 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

jesus fucking christ the kind of person who has a machine dialled in enough to print a functional weapon that will actually work and not come apart in their hands or blow off their face is the sort of person who will also have the means and wherewithal to obtain a conventional weapon. And they will most likely turn to the latter if they want to do harm.

[–] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 49 points 6 days ago (1 children)

But like.. are they going to prohibit all forms of melding materials into a shape? You can make a shank out of a stick rubbed on a rock ffs.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 35 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Back when 3D printers were brand-new, I was at a college event where the Engineering Club had one on display. I stopped to watch it, and spoke with the kid who had built it. He was a Freshman, and had built it during the previous summer, because he wanted to come to college and make an instant splash in the Engineering Department.

He certainly succeeded, because he was the one in the booth that everybody wanted to talk to, while the upperclassmen that hadn't accomplished anything, sat in the back of the booth and glowered at the Freshman upstart.

So anyway, if they ban them, we'll just build them.

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 20 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I believe the entire goal of RepRap was to build a machine that could build all the parts needed to build another machine. Most of the parts for a lot of machines are either 3d printable or bog-standard off-the-shelf parts that could be used for millions of other things. I have a feeling the really scary target would be software, something similar to the draconian age-verification BS being run around.

[–] Jiral@lemmy.org 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Targetting commercial offers would not cut it though. They would have to make octoprint, open source firmware etc a crime. A lot of printer run exclusively on non-commercial software and on Chinese control boards, with or without raspberry pi.

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago

That's kind of what they already want to do, or are trying to do with this legislation. And the age verification stuff has no exception for open-source. The people behind this stuff absolutely want to kill any and all open source, both hardware and software.

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[–] BC_viper@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This is called the proliferation of technology, its useless to fight it, and also one of humanities greatest existential threats.

Sooner or later building a nuke in your backyard is going to be just as easy.

Just FYI, I am full pro 3d printer, love mine. Looking into a second one now.

Sooner or later building a nuke in your backyard is going to be just as easy.

No. Even if you would get your hands of enough base material (impossible and would also be bigger than your backyard in volume). The energy you need for sorting the isotopes would be more than you could pull out of your power wires.

This isnt a question about technology but physics and energy, no matter how good consumer tech gets. NO you wont build a nuke in your backyard.

The same way as you will never build a moon rocket in your backyard, some things just require a fixed amount of energy, and putting that amount of energy in your backyard just wont happen.

[–] neclimdul@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

"Get in good trouble, necessary trouble..."

[–] Bullerfar@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Is California just gone fucking mad after newscum? What is up with all these fucked up legislations against private freedom?

[–] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Its really, really big and populous, and also ethnically, culturally, and socially diverse. I think those combined factors lead to California passing more volume and variety of laws than any of the other American states.

Many of the laws they pass are regulation on business and consumer protection in excess of those provided by the federal government, but the socially progressive side of politics has its villains, too. Their villainy comes in the form of forced trading of freedom for security--outlawing activities that are dangerous to you, or banning objects and knowledge that have the potential to harm you or others even if they have other practical uses.

Its the main reason why it is risky to fight for the victory of one's own political "team" without further consideration. It is easy for people interested in the public good to be overzealous in enforcement of public safety.

It's hard to get broad agreement on where to draw that line. For example, I tend to lean in the "natural law" direction, where I think you should be allowed to have and do almost anything you want, so long as it doesn't materially harm anyone else, even indirectly. Most other people, even on the left, find that relatively extreme and believe in more personal regulation in the name of increased public safety. For example, most Democrats support moderate to strict restrictions on personal firearm, chemical, and encryption ownership, rather than banning the illegal uses of those things themselves. It is more dangerous for people to be able to be able to get dangerous stuff, so it makes sense people would have a lot of differing opinions on where to settle between "Mad Max" and "Minority Report".

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

they specifically only became supportive of restrictions on personal firearms after minorities started carrying them for protection from law enforcement overreach. It was a whole thing with then-governor Ronald Reagan

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Correct. They only care about this stuff because they don't want anyone to use it on them.

If you don't believe me, just note how basically every single weapons ban written in the US magically has an exception for law enforcement carved into it. So... We (not me, but all you Californian people) can't have, say, a butterfly knife but for some reason the cops can? What do they need it for that we don't, exactly?

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[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago

It wont stop anyone looking to print a silencer. It will just make it closed source and pay per print. Its a idiots solution.

[–] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago

This is just madness. What the hell is Newsom thinking/drinking?

[–] JelleWho@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (9 children)

So try and ban 3D printing guns, because that's too dangerous. But still sell guns at wallmarkt to be bought without background checks? I have the feeling something is a little off here...

[–] NOPper@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 6 days ago (9 children)

FFS, you still need a bg check to buy from Walmart. There's plenty of things to point out to fight for sane gun laws without making shit up.

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[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 15 points 6 days ago

You can’t buy guns at Walmart in California.

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[–] Tetragrade@leminal.space 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

they took the fucking dragon slinky

[–] Iconoclast@feddit.uk 7 points 6 days ago

That's one way do deal with the traffic: just make your state so shitty place to live that everyone moves elsewhere.

[–] Atropos@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Just wait till they hear about my old Bridgeport!

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