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[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

People aren't generally opposed to the idea of differential algorithmic pricing, they're against the way it'll almost inevitably get implemented if allowed to be done without regulation / public involvement and oversight.

Ask a lefty if they're in favour of charging people fines based on net worth/income, rather than based on a flat rate. Speeding ticket? That'll be 0.5% of your annual salary, or 0.5% of your net worth, or a baseline minimum amount, whatever's higher.

The way it'll get implemented though, is more like "It's hot, so you gotta pay x2 for water if you're poor already". And "you're a privileged race/gender, you get X pricing, it's not discrimination if it's an algorithm doing it!".

[–] MadBigote@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You're comparing examples where the entity establishing the rate of a speeding ticket or a fine is the government as a consequence of you violating the law, to a company deciding how much they know you're willing to pay for a product or a service that may or may not a basic necessity such as water or food. Not quite the correct comparison.

[–] liuther9@lemmy.world 0 points 17 hours ago

The difference? Nowadays both operate to make rich richer

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Ask a lefty if they’re in favour of charging people fines based on net worth/income, rather than based on a flat rate. Speeding ticket? That’ll be 0.5% of your annual salary, or 0.5% of your net worth, or a baseline minimum amount, whatever’s higher.

As a Finn, I'm perpetually amazed when that's not how it works in every country. I'm not a lefty, nor poor, and I think that's the only reasonable way to handle fines.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 3 points 22 hours ago

every where else it's only about punishing poor people, fairness has nothing to do with it.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Shouldn't "Socialism" be the goal?

[–] Frenchgeek@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago

Only for the rich apparently.

[–] Subscript5676@piefed.ca 40 points 1 day ago (12 children)

I live in Ontario, and I feel like I'm living in a bubble, because not a single person I've talked to likes Drug Fraud, but Ontario voted this sack of shit thrice into the office. Everything feels like it's in fucking shambles: the housing, healthcare, education (all the levels!); anything public aside from fucking businesses.

But then again, there's also an insane amount of political apathy amongst my peers (I'm around 30). No one believes that their ability to vote means anything. I'm not allowed to vote (I'm a PR), and I have to find ways to tell my friends to go fucking vote. While it's true that if shit hits the fucking roof I can always just move out, it hurts me to just watch my friends suffer, especially when a number of them are teachers and nurses, and they recount the sad episodes of the kids in schools and the patients in hospitals not getting the care they need.

No one cares that ridings are 100,000+ people. They should be at most 30,000 people. But, everybody has been convinced that politicians are bad, so we should have fewer of them.
Smaller ridings mean more democracy.
With a hundred thousand people in one riding, the majority of people haven't even met their representative. ...And Ford keeps making worse.

[–] BreadOven@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

But working in-office 4 days a week helps local businesses! Fuck off Doug Ford. I know he's done a bunch of other shitty things (this article for example) as well. But he should really just fuck off and die.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 3 points 22 hours ago

live in Ontario, and I feel like I'm living in a bubble, because not a single person I've talked to likes Drug Fraud,

same same with Ted Cruz down south of the border and yet reelected :) what a world!

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A lot of the people who "don't like ford" still vote conservative to own the libs or something. I've met many who hate ford but still support the party.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The most common reason I've heard/read is "just look at what happened the last time we had a Liberal/NDP government in Ontario"

Then the details of why those governments were bad are usually about one tenth as bad as the current fuckery

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

I've even had people blame other governments for things a conservative government did.

[–] Dalraz@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

The boomers love to point to Bob Rae as why they can't think for themselves.

[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I thought he was just on his second term... Wtf

[–] Subscript5676@piefed.ca 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He called an early election soon after Trump was elected to try get himself an even stronger majority while running on an anti-Trump platform, propping up himself as the only person who can go against Trump for Ontario (yeah, the facist-inspired playbook). He sort of succeeded at it, given that the cycle was short, there was rather little time for other parties to rally, a lot of people couldn't find the time to vote, and enough people bought into the idea that he can stand up to Trump despite people not actually liking him. The turnout was less than 50%.

[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, the voter turnout is fucking stupid. People who don't vote don't seem to understand that they are a big part of why he keeps getting in. They need to have it beat into them that their lack of a vote is a vote in favour of the elected party.

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[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 89 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Charge Doug Ford 10 billion dollars anytime he tries to purchase an item, you say?

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If businesses were smart. They would have a “Too Rich to Understand Money” fee.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

oh they do, that's the vast majority of luxury products

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago

I could totally see some hippie coffee shop doing this to him.

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[–] Triumph@fedia.io 62 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Tell me you don't know what socialism is without saying you don't know what socialism is.

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[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 60 points 1 day ago

Ah, I see. Socialism is when the market operates fairly...

[–] Aceofspades@lemmy.ca 50 points 1 day ago

Socialism isn't a dirty word anymore. I would gladly take socialism over the late stage capitalism that allows surveillance pricing to exist.

[–] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 day ago

Fuck Dougie and his 28 million dollar plane he just bought with tax payers $

[–] sik0fewl@piefed.ca 47 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Many of the things people like about Canada versus the USA is Canada's more socialist policies like health care and more safety nets. We just can't call it socialism cause the boomers who love those services are still afraid of that word.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 1 points 23 hours ago

This is very funny, but panel 3 and panel 5 are different people in reality.

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Could one of you good folks explain to an outsider how this Muppet is still in elected office?

Like he's infamous on the far side of the Atlantic in the drugs and private jet and "fuck the poors" way. I haven't seen anything that would justify voting for him.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (27 children)

Many ontarians are really stupid. His "buck a beer" and literally no other platform to run on struck a chord with people who decided they got tired of the liberals

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[–] eightpix@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

Correction: charging two people...

— in the same store, in the same plaza, on the same day, at the slightly different times (or not!), discriminating between them algorithmically —

different prices for the same item...

  • So much for early 2000s "price matching."

  • So much for benefits to loyal customers.

  • So much for knowing your grocery budget.

  • So much for the "neighbourhood store."

  • So much for people being anything other than another resource to mine.

Everyone, everywhere is just a "rational consumer" guided by the "invisible hand" and "voting with their dollars" so that "the best products" emerge.

All of these axioms have, in the fullness of time, proven false.

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