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[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 120 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Yeah no shit, and you do think I have a single goddamn bit of influence over my corporation's choice of email client??

[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 89 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

They can leech all the data they want from my employer. I don't give a fuck. Never use company assets for personal business as an addendum.

Just be a little more careful with your own stuff, s'all.

[–] requiem@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Depends on your sector of work. Imagine you’re a therapist or a lawyer…

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (9 children)

A lot of healthcare and education institutions use Outlook as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if mental health or legal uses it too. There may be rules about what kind of client/student/patient information can be sent over email, and often there are healthcare/institution specific variants of the office suites which (are supposed to) meet regulatory requirements

I think the other comment applies regardless. Do work things on the work device/account and let the workplace handle any other concerns. When it comes time to discuss alternatives, you can make a case for something else

[–] requiem@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean it even harvests typing data and Outlook also includes calendars etc… It’s really bad.

But yes, I just suggested a re-evaluation of the use of Microsoft Outlook to my company …

[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What would you get them to use instead? I use Proton personally, but I doubt many companies are using it at scale.

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[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 10 months ago

Why is your corp using the free mail app in windows??

[–] cr1cket@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 months ago

Let me introduce you to https://davmail.sourceforge.net/

Yes it works pretty fine with stupid O365. You can basically use whatever mailclient you desire with it.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

pretty sure when you bring that up to your company, that another company will have access to internal communication, that they will do something against it. It's a willing data breach.

[–] Yoz@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

There's no other company with all the required certification that can replace Microsoft office suite so all corporations are stuck with it and tbh nobody cares.

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[–] IndefiniteBen@leminal.space 49 points 10 months ago (6 children)

No shit. There's a reason they are killing the nice and simple Windows Mail app; it allows you to sync with your email without Microsoft servers between.

Also, the biggest issue for me is the UX. I use outlook for my work email and like to separate my work and personal life, so soon I just won't have an app for my personal email on my PC.

If anyone knows of a similar windows mail app with good touch support and without such a traditional mouse designed UI, please share it.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The new thunderbird UI looked neat and modern.

[–] bob_lemon@feddit.de 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

They're still working out some kinks, but yes, the new UI of Thunderbird 115+ is pretty good.

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[–] GigglyBobble@kbin.social 21 points 10 months ago

I've been using Thunderbird since forever. It's not perfect but I like it better than bloated and laggy Outlook.

[–] derin@lemmy.beru.co 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I've been paying for mailspring for a few years now, and I love it. It has touch and gesture support, is open source, and is available on Windows, MacOS, and Linux.

Its paid plan includes some nice features like email tracking - which you can't really get from just a simple client and (needs a server to track who has opened an email and when) - and id lookup, for things like quickly seeing the LinkedIn profile of a sender not in your contacts list.

Definitely my favorite desktop client by a wide margin, and one I would recommend wholeheartedly.

Edit: Just to be clear, it's available for free as well.

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[–] hellequin67@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

What especially galled me was as I was updating my laptop before flashing to Linux the new outlook will not work unless edge installed, I had just uninstalled that pile of garbage.

Ah well, at least pop_os works great 😃

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I really liked the mail app, the outlook one sucks

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[–] Dehydrated@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago (3 children)

What part of Windows (or Microsoft software in general) is not a data collection service?

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 20 points 10 months ago (5 children)

If you aren’t using an insider edition then Notepad is still safe

[–] Dehydrated@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago
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[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Outlook honestly was not that bad for a while, but of course Microsoft does what Microsoft does. I've been using Thunderbird for about a year now and it is very full featured coming directly from outlook.

[–] DJDarren@thelemmy.club 14 points 10 months ago

I use Outlook on my work Mac, and am forever amazed at how hard they pushed on getting me to switch to "New" Outlook, but how many features they never bothered to port over. Like, I can't export my mailbox without having to switch it back to 'old' Outlook. Calendars straight up don't work half the time and there's no obvious button to switch from a list of events for the month, back to a monthly calendar view.

Outlook for Mac is a fucking mess. I really do need to switch over to Thunderbird.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Mail was so clean thunderbird isn't as nice

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[–] popekingjoe@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 20 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Thats what i thought but holy shit its so much worse.

Its not even data that is needed for outlook but like pretty much everything on your pc.

including your username and password, send in clear text

I agree with the article’s statement. How the fuck is this legal.

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[–] OrangeCorvus@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I am aware this comes from a competitor and they want to go all out. However, what is unclear to me, does this also happen to paying users?

For my small business I use Office 365 Business Essentials, whatever it's called now, the cheapest one. Been using it for many years and for the price/features, it's pretty unbeatable. I use the new Outlook on my workstation since a few months, it's pretty slow and not feature complete but was ok. I'm in the EU and haven't been prompted with that window where it talks about advertisers. Will check Monday if I see a list of advertisers but I think for paid users it's not the same.

For personal mail, I use Thunderbird, I even donated to them. I like it but would have been great if it had a view like Outlook. At the moment it has table view and cards view. Wish the cards view would more customizable.

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[–] Brkdncr@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s basically gmail. It’s a web/email server that you give your creds over to . It has an offline mode that I guess makes it an app.

Yeah they read your shit.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

For consumers, yeah they scan your shit to sell advertisements to you. For Business customers —that could get real illegal real quick.

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[–] Nahaelem@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

As if the old outlook app wasn’t as …. Oh Shit! This is more egregious

[–] PlantObserver@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Hey Proton how about you quit privacy-washing and actually prioritize and release feature parity products for Linux so your customers aren't being herded onto windows' data harvesting platform just so they can use your supposedly privacy forward products

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I don't use proton so forgive me if this is a stupid question...

But do you need an app? Can't you just use whatever browser you want for their services?

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Also, there's Thunderbird if you NEED a fat client for your email. Except Proton's strength is where the service is located and the security of access. Having a full copy locally on your system kind of defeats that.

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[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

For a few years, I had hope that Microsoft would become a respectable, user-oriented, even FOSS-friendly company, but they finally seem to have settled on AI enshitification as their main business model.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 points 9 months ago

FOSS friendly company

I'm not sure what you are smoking but you're high as balls dude. If there is any company that has as it's motto "fuck and destroy open source" and as slogan "fuck everything for money", then it's Microsoft.

Microsoft paid SCO to make false claims against Linux in an attempt to destroy Linux and extort large companies away from Linux. The destroy part failed, but they got multiple large companies to steer away from Linux. Normal people would go to jail for that, Microsoft execs not so much.

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[–] arc@lemm.ee 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I got a popup saying "wanna try the new Outlook app"? So I did and the fucking thing immediately inserted ads that resembled email into my inbox. If this is the future I'll install Thunderbird.

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[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is why I don't get excited when I hear some software that I already use and works fine gets an update. More often than not the update makes the software worse.

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[–] Dagamant@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Yeah, that update was the final push that moved me to Linux on my primary computer. I’ve used Linux for about 20 years on everything that wasn’t my gaming PC and between the advancements made by Valve and the increasing invasive nature of Windows put an end to my relationship with Microsoft.

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