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[–] will_a113@lemmy.ml 179 points 11 months ago (8 children)

I know this isn't the most popular opinion, but I love self-checkout systems when they're available and used correctly. My local supermarket closed 2 10-item-or-less lanes and put 6 self-checkouts in the same space. I probably make 2 trips/week to the store for fewer than 10 items, and being able to check myself out has been a huge time saver. There are still another 8 lanes with cashiers for larger shopping trips. If the supermarket can avoid the race to the bottom thinking of "well, we replaced 2 lanes, maybe we can also replace the other 8), it'll be a nice compromise.

Now contrast that with my local Home Depot, which typically has 1-2 cashiers MAX at any given time. They have turned the checkout process into a tedious pain in the ass, and I've more or less stopped shopping there as a result.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 89 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

When self-checkouts were first rolled out, my friends and I loved them.

As twenty-something introverted nerds, it helped a lot when buying "embarrassing" things like condoms.

You didn't have to have the checkout person giving you the stink-eye because they're ultra religious or something.

Now, twenty-some years on, they've been abused to the point that some places they're all that's ever open, Target and Walmart seem to be the biggest offenders there. When there's a line down three different aisles because the self-checked is so backed up, it's defeated the purpose of creating "efficiency."

However, I've noticed that about a lot of business practices lately. We've rounded the bend and they're still doing things that aren't actually producing efficiency anymore. Like staffing with nothing but a skeleton crew, so anytime someone calls out sick, everything falls apart because you're short a person. Personal opinion, but if one person missing work wrecks everything, that's not an efficient way to schedule people.

It's proof that these MBA business school chucklefucks are just repeating the shit they tell each other ad nauseum, because when it comes to real-world results the results are abysmal and inefficient.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The Walmart self checkout layout is generally just bad. Because they are paranoid about theft, it's setup to make it easy for the worker monitoring to make sure nothing fishy is going on. However, that means that the customers that want to checkout often can't see what's open.

This creates lines as the machines aren't fully utilized.

But further, it's often the case that for whatever reason these machines need an employee to interact. With 10 machines running at full capacity, that means longer waits for everyone because 3 machines are waiting for an id badge scan.

Walmart can solve some of these problems with more employees but that cost money.

[–] felbane@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

Walmart is the only place where I've been stopped during the checkout process because the camera system thinks I'm stealing.

I'm a nerd that tries to minmax my self checkout by putting items in the cart or handbasket in a manner conducive of efficient removal. I'll position the cart on my left, scanner in front, bags on right, and go as fast as the scanner will register the barcode and display the item on screen.

This works wonderfully everywhere else and I find it rather fun. I can count on Walmart to flag me at least once every trip (even though I slow down there for this reason), with the screen showing the flashing "POSSIBLE THEFT" message and video of me swiping an item quickly across the reader.

Maybe I should start parking the cart in the middle of the pathway like every other Walmart shopper and taking twenty seconds to dig every item out of the bottom of the cart before meandering around looking for where I set down the handheld scanner.

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[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 70 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I don't mind self checkout.

I mind that I need the one employee overseeing 12 checkouts every other scan because the system decides something is wonky. I mind that it now has AI that assures said single employee that I'm fleecing them for an $0.80 can of tomato sauce and I now have to wait for this person to dig through my 3 bags looking for this hoisted sauce.

If they're so determined that every customer is lifting everything at checkout all the time - if only there was a way they could have an employee verify every item gets scanned, every time, perhaps by doing it themselves. Then we could wait in a line and feed our items to them so they can rest easy knowing everything was scanned appropriately. Oh, what science fiction Dreams I have.

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[–] Kazumara@feddit.de 58 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Sounds like low trust society issues to be honest. I only see those systems expanding in Switzerland, and they never use annoying scales or complain about unexpected items, because there aren't even any sensors for that.

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 26 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Here in Finland handheld scanners have been getting added to more shops, you grab one, scan and bag as you go, and at the end you return the scanner and pay it all at once.

[–] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (7 children)

One of the regional grocery stores in my part of the US has these (if you have an account). Before I did online ordering with curbside pickup, this was how I shopped. I didn't understand why it wasn't more popular. It made checking out so quick. Every twenty or so trips I'd be randomly "audited," where some poor employee had to rifle through my bags to double check I wasn't stealing anything.

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[–] grabyourmotherskeys@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (4 children)

To be fair, anything that allows a Swiss person to avoid small talk will be overwhelming popular.

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[–] iarigby@lemmy.world 53 points 11 months ago (8 children)

What are they talking about, self checkouts are great. It makes the shopping experience more fair for those with fewer items

[–] AnomanderRake@lemmy.ml 18 points 11 months ago (8 children)

I feel the people who don't like self checkout keep trying to push the idea that it's bad or putting people out of jobs, rather than just admitting it's convenient for most people. If i want to buy one or two items I don't want to queue up behind 5 people with a full trolley.

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 53 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I love self-checkout. Faster, don't have to rush because someone is waiting for me, don't have to interact with people, can easily double check it had the correct price etc. They're fantastic

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ca 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's faster until you need the human operator to keep coming over because the anti-theft sensors keep getting tripped up by false positive readings. Or you need to find some vegetable code that a normal cashier has memorized.

Self checkout is great when it's done well, and total shit when poorly executed. And unfortunately, it's not always just a matter of technology (which normally keeps improving); it's often a matter of business model: sometimes customer convenience is really important, other times loss prevention (which creates frustration) is more important.

I've seen countless good self-checkout experiences backslide into crap experience because the business felt that a controlled client is more profitable than a convenienced client.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 51 points 11 months ago (9 children)

The only people I've ever encountered IRL or online that can't stand self check out are dumbass boomers that can't figure out how to use them correctly. This article has the same energy as those articles that claim people don't want to work from home.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago (6 children)

My only critique of self checkout is, when the machine has an error, or if I'm buying alcohol, I have to wait 5 minutes for someone to come fix the problem because there's 10 self checkout kiosks, but only one employee tending them.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That and if your buying more than 20 items and it's a scale.you know after about half a cart it's going to start bitching at you.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Please place item in bagging area. UNEXPECTED ITEM IN BAGGING AREA!!!"

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[–] PixelProf@lemmy.ca 43 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I almost exclusivity self-checkout for groceries, and it had drastically sped up my checkout time as most people in my area opt to use traditional checkout and the stores are still keeping lots of lanes open (just closing the express lanes). The last 3 times I've used a non-self checkout, each time I was double charged for items or didn't have reduced prices applied and didn't notice because I was bagging.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Oh no, did your attempt to cut labor costs and make shoppers do more of the labor that checkers used to do end up increasing shrink?

Oh no, how awful for you that you aren't able to properly afford more *checks notes... Stock Buybacks.

This is how I imagine retailers complaining about this.

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[–] gladflag@lemmy.ml 38 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I hate self checkout because they make the system frustrating as if they don’t trust you. Which they don’t. So they make it weigh items and it yells if you’re too slow putting the item in the bagging area.

If you don’t trust me to do it. Pay someone else to do it.

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[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago (3 children)

My own bag. Hand scanner. Zip through the store while loading my bag. Easy check out. Hell no I don't want to use the cashier line.

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[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 33 points 11 months ago (3 children)

This seems to be an implementation issue. In my neighbourhood discounter, in Germany, there's three self-checkouts and while they're a bit small they also don't do any of that weighing and whatnot bullshit: You scan your stuff, pay, done. The only thing they can't do is apply best-before rebates.

There's also always a manned till open (or at the very least, when things are slow, a worker hanging out in the vicinity). In practice if the queue is empty you go there, if you have lots of stuff you go there (because it's bound to be faster as you can focus on packing while things get scanned), otherwise you have the choice to use self-checkout. Never had to stand in line for self-checkout, before that happens they open another manned till. What the self-checkouts do is keep small purchases away from the manned tills when they're busy which is exactly what they're good for. I

[–] Guntrigger@feddit.ch 15 points 11 months ago (4 children)

It is 100% implementation. In other countries there's either a staff member watching over all the self checkouts to make everything go smoothly, or a kind of electronic gate that only let's you leave after scanning a receipt. Usually the scanners are much more reliable and theres a usable UI. Plus a modicum of trust. Also thise hand scanners you can carry around the shop so you don't have to do it at the end (although I think if seen some of them around now).

In the UK there's usually the weight detection mechanic that slows things down 10x and no interactivity with the machine other than it loudly telling you you're doing it wrong. You often need to ask for help anyway.

If it was a quick and easy experience the scheme wouldn't fail.

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[–] moitoi@feddit.de 31 points 11 months ago (2 children)

In my country, it's a huge success. People love it at the point that even Aldi and Lidl implemented the system.

But, the huge difference with the US is cultural. People coming here from abroad have a hard time to make local friends. It can take up to 10 years to make one.

My guess is that people love the lack of social contact more than self checkout itself.

[–] Ainiriand@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (6 children)

If you are talking about Germany, yes. I recently (3 years) moved to Germany and I love the tech. I can avoid having contact with the rude people that usually work at the tills.

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[–] themurphy@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago

Ehm, it's pretty much a success where I'm from. Sounds more like a personal opinion.

[–] Blackmist@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Self checkout is just fine, as long as you have enough of them.

Even better are the handsets you can take around the shop and scan as you go, as nobody wants to really be doing an entire trolley at the self checkout.

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Failure?? It’s in every store in the world

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[–] quams69@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I love self checkout, I can steal from corporations with plausible deniability

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[–] obinice@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Hasn't it?

They're always faster than the queue for the cashiers, and they work fine.

The only issue I've had recently is they stopped taking cash for some reason, and I pay in cash. But besides that, they're fast and work great.

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[–] Zeshade@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago

This article really sounds like it describes an alternate reality to me. Interesting to see how many people in the comments seem to hate self checkouts but here in the UK they seem to work fine. Shops seem to have found the right balance. In the same shop you'll have queues advancing rapidly at self checkouts and people run tills with shorter queues for customers who prefer the human interaction.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 28 points 11 months ago (5 children)

They let me avoid human interaction if I choose, AND they’ve hurt these big retailers while showing them the value of giving people more shifts/hours?

Spectacular success if you ask me! It would be fun to have worked on this tech and then see it helping others by failing or being sabotaged, lol. That’s not a feeling you usually expect when you launch a product.

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[–] notasandwich1948@sh.itjust.works 28 points 11 months ago

self checkout is a default for me

[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (9 children)

As a customer, I 💕 self checkout: the great divide between fast and slow

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[–] DrRatso@lemmy.ml 24 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Yea, no. The supermarket I shop at, I just scan everything with my phone as I go, scan a QR code at self checkout and pay.

Worst case I have to wait 2 minutes for someone to do a verification scan (5 random items crom my bag) or wait for them to verify my age.

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[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Maybe this is just a British thing? They're very popular here in NZ

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[–] mydude@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I don't like to interact with people, but I also don't like to work for free for the owner of the chain, so I take one for the comrades and interact with the cashier.

[–] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 11 months ago (4 children)

If you work for free, you're bound to make mistakes. Sometimes a pound of fish might get rung up as a pound of oranges.

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 21 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Usually I quite like self check

Except at ALDI.

Before they put in self check the cashiers sped through transactions at lightning speed. Now they've cut the number of cashiers and people sit at SCO slowly scanning and bagging everything....

It's ALDI bruh scan that shit and go to the bagging counter.

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[–] johnyrocket@feddit.ch 20 points 11 months ago

As someone who has shoped in the us but lives in europe, that only applies to the us. Self checkout is objectively bad in the us. Here, it is actually pretty good. The only anti theft mechanism is a random check wich happens like once a year to me, no weighing bs. Especially, if you use the option to scan while shopping with your phone or scanner device. Then you just pay in the app and leave, no hastle at the cash register.

[–] Alph4d0g@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 11 months ago

We had a CVS Pharmacy location near me that decided to leave that location. Self checkout there was based on assuming everyone was a thief. All their wounds were self inflicted. Almost everything was locked up and you could never find someone to get your item for you. The genius management thought it was going to help profitability by deterring theft. Instead it was a deterrent to willing and eager customers wanting to buy their stuff. When you step over a dollar to get to a dime, your business is on borrowed time.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 11 months ago

You can really tell these days who has never worked in a grocery store or restaurant before.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I don’t get their point that shoppers “need to be socialized into using self-checkout”. Who ever needed to be persuaded? It’s just that they try hard to make it painful. Self checkout was always an over-complicated conglomeration of parts with poor usability, then poorly thought out additions to try to control theft and no counter space . It just never works well. Maybe we should “socialize” retailers into getting their shit together she it can work more smoothly

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[–] nbafantest@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (4 children)

It's a common sight at many retail stores: a queue of people, waiting to use a self-checkout kiosk, doing their best to remain patient as a lone store worker attends to multiple malfunctioning machines.

I have never had this happen. The only issues I've ever had is people not understanding something so simple as scanning a barcode and then tap to pay.

Self checkout is one of the greatest advancements I've ever had. Probably the most irritating thing about California is that they made it illegal to use a self checkout to buy beer. The state literally forced me to stand in lines when i can easily scan a barcode.

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[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 16 points 11 months ago (3 children)

We have those by me still, I love them. Except when they check the weight of every item so you can't have one person scan and another bagging.

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[–] tamal3@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

I do not use self-checkout for several reasons, including what other people have said: i don't get a discount, it's taking someone else's job, it's annoying as fuck. Further, I use my own canvas bags, and that machine yells about the weight mismatch no matter what I try. I'd rather listen to nails on a chalkboard.

But i also shop for groceries 1 time per week, which means I'm buying beer, which means the self-checkout STILL requires somebody to help me. I end up standing around for longer than it takes to go through the regular line.

Anyway, the self-checkout lines generally see very loud usage in my NC town.

[–] bluewing@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago

I think self checkout works for one or two items. But not much more than that. I don't want to have two or three things to checkout and be stuck behind someone with a cart full.

But If I have much more than that, an "old fashioned" checkout is a lot better.

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

I avoid self checkouts unless the lines at the cashier checkouts are unreasonable.

Half the time I go through one of those I get hit with an error that I've then gotta wait on the attendant to fix. The other half I get bogged down by the stupid process like how you've got to put the item down on the bagging area before you can scan another one or how you can interact with the card reader to pay but the transaction will not complete until you select a payment type on the main screen. Lately, I've noticed some trying to trick me into signing up for rewards or some bullshit.

Much easier to just dump my stuff on the conveyor belt and have the cashier handle everything else.

[–] slingstone@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I enjoy Sam's Club's "Scan and Go" feature in their app. I scan my items and pay in the app. I never have to interact with a soul, and that's peachy keen in my book.

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