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This morning while checking if Quokk.au's new instance logo was federated out, I discovered that overnight we had been shadowbanned from the PieFed.Social Instance Chooser (This is a tool to help spread out users across the platform and help avoid funnelling users into the largest.)

Knowing that Rimu was happy to explain, I just asked for some clarification as we were visible on every other PieFed instance except his.

Apparently for ' obvious reasons ', of which I can only assume is our left leaning anarchist/pro-trans stance we were chosen not be advertised on the PieFed flagship instance and first point of contact for many potential new users. Seeing as a large portion of our new users found us via this method, it will have a tangible effect on a small instance such as ours.

This was a pretty sad sight to see, and reflects the sort of petty drama that is emanating from the PieFed project lately. It's now the third such move to discredit and harm left leaning instances by PieFed's lead developer. This also shows a trend towards autocratic unilateral decision-making on Piefed.social, of which is starting to be run as a personal fiefdom without consulting the team or users.

I must commend Lemmy.ml for remaining neutral and not letting its own political leanings influence join-lemmy.org, while simultaneously condemn PieFed.social for this immature move that is harmful to the health of the Fediverse.


Following this exchange, Rimu announced a new update to PieFed allowing for some rather concerning things.

  • Modlog: Reason for the action is only shown from trusted instances, so abusive mods won't have an audience. Admins can still see the reason though. Which instances are trusted is set in the admin UI.

This feature means problematic users can now go undetected, and will harm moderators ability to view their past moderation history. For example PieFed.social runs a 'trusted' list of only 34 instances, meaning any mod action taken by any of the hundreds of instances outside of this will not show up. So for example if Quokk.au was to ban a user for transphobia (our most common ban), this will not be reflected for piefed.social users potentially leading towards more hate speech on the Fediverse.

  • Instance silencing similar to Mastodon. A silenced instance is not defederated from but their posts do not show in the Popular or All feeds and their communities are not shown in Starter packs aka Topics. Their communities can still be found in the communities list and joined in the normal way. Once joined, posts in there show up in the subscribed feed as usual.

This is another way to shadowban instances and not 'advertise' them. Surely if an instance is problematic enough that a defederation would be in order rather than this reddit-like move.

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[–] libre_warrior@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

Fediverse are hives of benevolent dictators. The dictators must do what they feel is right for the hive.

The hives assumes dictatorship.

If we want this to change, we need to demand hives that are built with democratic control in mind.

[–] thoro@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 hours ago

This is completely unsurprising when you're aware of the reasons that motivated PieFed's development (anti communism). Features designed to limit the voice and reach of certain instances lines up with that motivation. PieFed exists to counteract communist influence in the threadiverse.

Some here who helped push it spin it as a way to make the fediverse more palatable to the average Internet user because they care more about growth than culture, but the underlying motivation has always been to try to separate the threadiverse from its communist roots.

I'll take the tankie devs over liberal devs every single time, personally. You can say what you want about them and how they personally run their instances, but I'm not aware of them developing any underhanded features like these and others in PieFed.

[–] garth@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I must commend Lemmy.ml for remaining neutral and not letting its own political leanings influence join-lemmy.org

Bogus. They have intentionally removed specific instances from join-lemmy.org. You will find that lemmy.world is missing, for example.

[–] Quokka@quokk.au 2 points 1 hour ago

From my understanding lemmy.world is missing as it is the largest of all instances and this helps users find others.

That is not done for ideological reasoning but Fediverse health.

[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 25 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

we had been shadowbanned from the PieFed.Social Instance Chooser

Badge of fucking honor rat-salute

[–] Quokka@quokk.au 18 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Unfortunately as >75% of all new members joined us from there it's effectively killed off instance growth. Will have to do a lot of campaigning to get any visibility now.

Oof. Hope this gets resolved in your/your instance's favor, but I do still feel a little proud that we pissed off Rimu so fiercely that we're getting shadowbanned.

[–] rhythmisaprancer@piefed.social 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

This stinks. I remember someone from anarchist.nexus posting a question about being banned but not seeing why (I think, I don't remember the details) and a very terrible response from Rimu. I don't see anyone else from piefed.social posting here but I can't be the only one that has seen this negativity over the last month or so. Maybe time to instance hop again or use an old account. Guess I didn't learn any lessons about flagships after being on kbin.social, although that was very different.

[–] Quokka@quokk.au 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Well if you do decide to move instances, quokk.au is always open. We have a few improvements to our instance web view over the default PF.

:babaw_you::babaw_win:

[–] rhythmisaprancer@piefed.social 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I appreciate that! I am not in AUS tho, I guess I need to head over and see your rules. It would be my first time switching instances where I could move info over, that would be nice and a fun learning experience.

[–] Quokka@quokk.au 3 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

The domain is .au, but we're international focused. I believe PieFed has features to migrate your subscribed communities over, so you won't have to start over completely fresh.

As for rules, we (me) have been a bit slack and don't have anything formalised. We basically follow the same as lemmy.dbzer0.com and anarchist.nexus, so you can view those rules here: https://wiki.dbzer0.com/divisions-by-zero/the-golden-rules/

Mostly it's just be a decent person, don't support nazism, zionism, homophobia, transphobia, etc.

[–] rhythmisaprancer@quokk.au 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Well, I did it. I am sure I have more work to do but I do not have to worry about the other stuff. Thanks for your encouragement!

[–] Quokka@quokk.au 4 points 3 hours ago

Pleasure to have you here! I know you just came from PieFed so you’re familiar with the software, but please let me know if you have any issues or need help.

[–] rhythmisaprancer@piefed.social 4 points 5 hours ago

Wow, I just finished reading the db0 conduct and it sounds more thought out than the piefed. Now I will look into migration before I leave for a work trip.

Thanks for your encouragement!

[–] iByteABit@lemmy.ml 19 points 9 hours ago

It's always very interesting to see the imperialist type of "leftist" always punch left harder than they punch right. Almost as if that's their actual intended purpose all along..

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

I actually like having a second order of downgrading an instance over pure defederation. For example it would be really cool to mark instances from which to accept downvotes. Etc

[–] Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus 8 points 8 hours ago

something like that already exists in piefed, in that it can be set that only trusted instances can downvote. all my comms are set to ignore downvotes from anywhere that isn't on the AN trusted list.

they can still downvote locally, it just doesn't federate.

[–] Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus 9 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

not very surprising behavior for a boomer.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 12 points 8 hours ago

This is gen x erasure.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 34 points 11 hours ago

Yeah rimu is hellbent in his crusade against memes and defense of us imperialism. His "q-anon" blocklist contains leftist sites like grayzone as well as sites like wikileaks.org. He has warnings on his instance for sites like electronicintifada and peoplesdispatch. He put out a hit piece on bans from db0 like a week ago, days after a troll made a fake screenshot accusing some db0 admin of being an undercover nazi, then made his "LLM moderation" scarepost even though he knew that there was none because he asked about it before, blocked db0 the user so none of his posts show up on piefed.social (or federate if the post is in a community of piefed.social) and at this point I'd really ask if you all want to keep with software whos designer is openly hostile to you, be part of his network and introduce people to it. All of this right after MrKaplans knee-jerk defederation. Like it's been a busy two weeks of hostilities from the liberal side of the lemmy/piefed fediverse mainly from rimu who has been very open I must say about being on an anti-tankie crusade and doing everything in his power to make "his software" hostile for people whose ideology he doesn't like. And very much not open about how he intends to achieve this.

Instance silencing similar to Mastodon. A silenced instance is not defederated from but their posts do not show in the Popular or All feeds and their communities are not shown in Starter packs aka Topics. Their communities can still be found in the communities list and joined in the normal way. Once joined, posts in there show up in the subscribed feed as usual.

This is just cannibalising smaller instances. When their communities can't be as easily discovered the conversations naturally will be on the bigger instances and posters will naturally fluctuate towards the bigger instances so their posts can be seen. I bet you all are "silenced" as well.

reposted from my hexbear account for more visibility

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 20 points 11 hours ago

kicked Marxist-lemonist

Made me laugh.

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