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[–] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

A good dealer does not consume.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 24 points 15 hours ago

Norway knows that in 30 years energy will be renewable. They have to pump now to turn their oil and gas into money.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 17 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Doubling down on oil and gas infrastructure makes you LESS stable and resilient though? This just makes the problem worse.

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, they don't actually use it themselves. So the correct thing to say is doubling down on oil and gar makes them richer, fuck everyone else stupid enough to buy

[–] huppakee@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Climate change fucks them too, though. But yes, they'll be richer while getting fucked.

[–] Bob@feddit.org 12 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Would you rather have your oil and gas from the US, Russia, or the Middle East? The EU is still reliant on oil and gas at the moment, and Norway is the EU's most reliable supplier by a mile. You should work hard to become energy independent, but that can't happen over night.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

You should work hard to become energy independent, but that can't happen over night.

The only thing holding back alternative energy is people refusing to let go of this dogma.

So, you say if we only wish hard enough wind turbines and solar parks will suddenly spawn in all suitable areas? That's amazing!

[–] 0x0@infosec.pub 1 points 1 hour ago

Dfq is 'alternative' energy? Hydro got memory now?

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The EU is still reliant on oil and gas at the moment

Despite having had a literal lifetime to change that.

[–] Bob@feddit.org 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Strategic autonomy didn't seem like a pressing issue to me until Russia invaded the Ukraine, to be honest. I'm sure a large part of the population has been similarly complacent.

[–] RalfWausE_der_zwote@feddit.org 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Reliance on soviet / russian gas and oil wasn't a bug, it was a feature designed with the thought that it will stabilise relations. Of course, nobody has envisioned the stupidity of current russian leadership, soooo....

[–] plyth@feddit.org 0 points 1 hour ago

nobody has envisioned the stupidity of current russian leadership

In 1997, George F. Kennan (the architect of Cold War containment) deplored enlargement as "the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-Cold War era," warning it would inflame Russian nationalism, empower hardliners, and inevitably precipitate conflict along Russia's borders

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_opposition_to_NATO_enlargement

[–] lime@feddit.nu 13 points 16 hours ago

not if you're the one selling oil and gas

[–] Jiral@lemmy.org 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It is the logical thing to do, prices are currently high and delivering oil is indeed a matter of energy security right now. For a time, as the EU is transitioning rapidly to renewable energies.

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

That's bullshit. The rapid transition is a way towards energy security. This is just another way of slowing down said transition because every drop of oil we don't burn isn't making a few people richer at our expense.

[–] Griffus@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 hours ago

I would not stop Norway's oil export as long as European countries still rely on Russian oil at least.

[–] Anonymaus@feddit.org 4 points 14 hours ago