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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The US also has huge trade deficits in mangoes and sports shoes. So what?

Only idiots like Trump think all bilateral trade flows should balance.

Sure they do. It’s double down on ICE and block the import of foreign EV.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Well, we've artificially inflated the price of steel, electronics and consumable resources like fuel and electricity required to build cars in the US. I can't imagine that we would even be competitive building anything right now.

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Don't forget years of short sighted manufacturing enabled by the insane dealership system.

And, I guess enough research and development to realize that you're a decade or so behind the competition.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

This article wont go away

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 89 points 1 week ago (16 children)

This is what happens when you let the oil industry and their lobbyists have unfettered control of the narrative and legislation .You get a huge number of politicians falling into their pockets, and progress is stymied at every turn.

It's actually kind of surprising America has made the limited progress on EVs that we have. But it's nowhere near enough. And now we are paying the piper.

[–] Hapankaali@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

American voters are doing their part to "help," crying about "high" fuel prices (less than half of what they are here) when one of the big issues is that undertaxation of petrol has led to underinvestment in alternatives.

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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 59 points 1 week ago (16 children)

The headline suggests it’s a problem that the USA is working on. Evidence suggests that in fact the approach being taken is to imitate an ostrich, and bury the collective head in oil and gas money.

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[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I got an answer, give up and let the Chinese EVs in. or just reinvent public transportation for the future and stop wasting ungodly amount of resources for Ford F-150s everywhere

[–] innermachine@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If we let the Chinese evs in they would out sell too many ice or hybrid cars and reduce our consumption of oil, as well as bring too much competition to our "free" market. We can't have that, think of all the money spent in lobbying to keep us dependent on oil! And people might not buy electric cars from their favourite eccentric Nazi if there's an alternative and that absolutely cannot fly! Ugh it's the same story over and over again with American companies. Perform like dog shit, piss and moan that sales are tough because of those pesky foreign doing it better, tarrifs the competition out of competition and beg big govt for a nice bail out. Been happening over and over since at least the 60s in at least automotive industry. People who use USA as an example of capitalism = bad are totally missing the point that USA is socialism for rich people at the expense of capitalism, as a real capitalist would love to buy BYD in USA. Capitalism needs to be constrained with regulation sure, but not in a way that benefits your "representatives" favourite private corpo

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Amen to all of that.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 week ago

US won't have an answer. Obama invested in battery research, Trump shut it down, Biden invested in battery manufacture, Trump shut it down. During this time, Chinese industry secured a supply chain from raw ore mining to making batteries with patents. US has no IP in batteries.

Same thing is happening with drug discovery, it's all China for the next decade.

[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The answer continues to be: do everything it can to ignore China exists, and insulate the industry from having to compete.

How very free market of them. Seems like it would be so shitty to be a real republican - their party has totally abandoned those ideals.

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 19 points 1 week ago

I'm sure his answer will be tariffs because he's not about to invade China for their oil.

[–] P1k1e@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Make decent vehicles that don't spy on people or track them.....fucking morons

[–] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 12 points 1 week ago

Seems like the simple solution is to buy their cars and focus on producing something else.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The US government is falling all over itself to fellate the oil and gas industry to protect their profits. They have blocked EVs in every way possible.

China doesn't give a fuck about the US Church of Profits and is building renewable energy and EVs faster than the rest of the world combined.

The west has already lost. China won. China will be in charge in the very near future.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They are just as profit-driven as US corporations are. They are also leading the world in coal mining.

And I remember people singing the same song about Japan in the late 70s as they do about China now. Extrapolation works perfectly in a world with no limiting factors.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

They are also leading the world in coal mining.

I see this ridiculous comment all the time. Yes, they are mining coal because their need for energy outstrips their ability to build and bring online renewables but that doesn't change the fact that they are building renewables faster than the rest of the world combined and at some point cleap, clean renewables will meet their energy needs.

Energy cost makes up between 10% and 80% of the cost of everythin you buy. When energy is cheaper the products are cheaper or the profits are higher. When China is run on all those cheap, clean renewables, and when the US has burned all the oil and all the gas and all the coal and the wealthy have run away to their slave islands to sit on their bags of money everyone else will be fucked.

But, by all means, keep Whatabouting those stupid little "gotcha" comments.

And I remember people singing the same song about Japan in the late 70s as they do about China now. Extrapolation works perfectly in a world with no limiting factors.

Really? People were saying that Japan was building so much cheap, clean renewable energy that they were going to have cheaper products and beat the west? I don't remember anyone saying that.

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[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

No, our answer is that EVs are dumb and that oil is the only energy source that matters in this century and every century to come.

[–] sanitation@lemmy.radio 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's kind of 30th trimester. Too late for abortion Steve - China domnitates and we have no answer

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I got to ride in a Li Auotmotive i9 Ultra the other day and it was amazing. Ridiculously luxurious and far ahead of tesla. Cheaper too. It had a fridge and microwave, and big screens everywhere. Its Lidar view of everything around the car was vastly superior to Tesla's, and it has about 15x the computing power of my model 3.

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[–] Stefan_S_from_H@piefed.zip 10 points 1 week ago

The USA isn't exactly known for their cars. But even Germany has trouble making good cars nowadays.

[–] jobbies@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Was a loyal Ford (european) customer but I don't want an SUV version of the mustang, a massive truck or whatever the new 'Capri' is (its not a Capri).

And why are they all so ugly??

Wtf happened to Ford??

[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ford seems to be taking from Tesla's design language and trying to mix it with their own and the results are really fucking ugly

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Of course they “have an answer to EVs”. It’s to crush them or make them so outrageously expensive only the very wealthy will afford them.

And you know why? Because that’s how we voted.

[–] dasrael@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago

Oh It does... They prevent China EV makers from partaking in their "free market" and force you domestic suckers to keep slurping up the status-quo.

[–] IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I want those Chinese EVs so bad 😭

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago

They sell them in my country.

What I'd love to see is some multi-year reliabiity data on them. Initial product quality looks pretty good.

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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 week ago

Of course not, the current US government is actively hostile toward EVs and green energy. Why do all these headlines frame this as if it's so surprising?

US: shoots itself in the foot "WHY ISN'T CHINA LIMPING AS HARD AS I AM?!?!?!?"

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

SHOCKING REVELATION: US lacks clue

[–] sanitation@lemmy.radio 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's over tbh. U can be a genius with 50 phds this trajectory was like this for decades

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 7 points 1 week ago

The solution is putting their fingers in their ears, screaming "No one wants EVs anyway" "America no1!" "USA! USA! USA!".

You know, same solution they've always used.

[–] IWW4@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

The US has actively worked against EVs for over 100 years….

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If by "the U.S." you mean Bonespurs, not having answers goes without saying. But that aberration won't keep wasting oxygen forever.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

Of course they do:

  1. Ban Chinese cars period
  2. Add an additional $130/year tax on EVs, in case one of those heathen cars actually gets sold here
  3. Ignore the rest of the world and taut how well the US makers are doing in the US
  4. ???
  5. Profit
[–] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Are owners want us to use oil

[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 5 points 1 week ago

Whenever the US car industry seems to be moving towards EVs a major correction takes place and more huge vehicles appear instead. They obviously aren’t serious and will go the way of the buggy whip if they can’t replace management with people who can plan for the long term.

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