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A ‘Shocking’ Amount of the Web Is Already AI-Translated Trash, Scientists Determine::Researchers warn that most of the text we view online has been poorly translated into one or more languages—usually by a machine.

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[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 91 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I recently was searching for some tips on overlanding routes. So many sites are just long strung together SEO word salad.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I bet you get better results with Kagi. I don't see much crap in my results with it.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 72 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I've been saying for quite a while now that the Internet was best in the '90s and early 2000s back before it was commercialized, even despite all the "under construction" gifs and whatnot. The signal/noise ratio has only continued to drop since then.

[–] maness300@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Counterpoint: the Internet still exists as it did back then, but relatively smaller compared to what it's become.

You just need to find the right people and content to interact with, which is harder now because there's so much more garbage. I'd say they have grown in absolute numbers.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I get what you're saying that '90s-style content is largely still there if you look for it, but this...

...which is harder now because there’s so much more garbage...

...has nevertheless destroyed the "Internet as it existed back then," which was specifically an Internet where finding such content was easy.

[–] Euphoma@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You can find a lot of old school websites hosted on neocities, though a lot of them are more of an art project than an actual website.

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[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Is it harder? It was very hard to find anything on the old internet.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No. 2000s Google, I could search for a specific string in quotes (like an obscure error message trying to boot xbmc on an old xbox, or a kernel patch for a hackintosh) Now it’s all some SEO bullshit about how I need to watch some asshole’s 10 minute YouTube video about something tangentially related.

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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I hope you remember the amounts of spam and machine-translated text back then.

Being not an English speaker, you'd basically expect most of what you find to be machine-translated and badly at that.

Pirate localizations of games were basically translated the way that you'd get some basic idea sometimes somewhere, but in general it was probably worse than the English version, which would at least make some sense if you knew some English.

It's people and IT companies which were better.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Since I am an English speaker, my '90s Internet experience was very different than that. There were "link farms" (pages designed to exploit early search engine algorithms that scored pages higher when they got linked to a lot) and e-mail spam, of course, but being unsophisticated, it was generally a lot easier not to get suckered in by than the firehose of AI-written advertorials and shit we have today.

[–] wikibot@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Here's the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment:

An advertorial is an advertisement in the form of editorial content. The term "advertorial" is a blend (see portmanteau) of the words "advertisement" and "editorial. " Merriam-Webster dates the origin of the word to 1946. In printed publications, the advertisement is usually written to resemble an objective article and designed to ostensibly look like a legitimate and independent news story. In television, the advertisement is similar to a short infomercial presentation of products or services.

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[–] jawa21@startrek.website 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You forgot the pop-ups, forced midi music, easily injected malware, difficulty in verifying sources, html frames that frequently broke, the entire concept of needing a site map, fucking keywords, true banner ads that could force clicks with Javascript, and RealPlayer to name a few. I don't miss it at all.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

No, I didn't forget anything. It was still better even despite all that.

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[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 57 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] wikibot@lemmy.world 62 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Here's the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment:

The dead Internet theory is an online conspiracy theory that asserts that the Internet now consists mainly of bot activity and automatically generated content that is manipulated by algorithmic curation, marginalizing organic human activity. Proponents of the theory believe these bots are created intentionally to help manipulate algorithms and boost search results in order to ultimately manipulate consumers. Furthermore, some proponents of the theory accuse government agencies of using bots to manipulate public perception, stating "The U. S. government is engaging in an artificial intelligence powered gaslighting of the entire world population".

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[–] BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 76 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Best time for a bot to reply.

[–] Asudox@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)
[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 39 points 9 months ago

Fucking ironic

[–] stewsters@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

Lol, read the room bot.

[–] Octopus1348@lemy.lol 13 points 9 months ago

WikiBot on Lemmy!

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago
[–] Linssiili@sopuli.xyz 56 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Recently I was looking for info (in finnish) how to prevent car windows from fogging. I found a really weird website all about car windows, but it kept confusing car and house windows. It instructed to clean car windows by "opening the window and cleaning between the panels".

It was obviously ai-generated, but I couldn't figure out why. They weren't selling anything, there were no ads and no links to other websites or services.

Edit: I found the site again, I cannot spot anything nefarious, but proceed with caution: https://www.lasinvaihto.fi/

[–] theluddite@lemmy.ml 55 points 9 months ago (5 children)

It's probably either waiting for approval to sell ads or was denied and they're adding more stuff. Google has a virtual monopoly on ads, and their approval process can take 1-2 weeks. Google's content policy basially demands that your site by full of generated trash to sell ads. I did a case study here, in which Google denied my popular and useful website for ads until I filled it with the lowest-quality generated trash imaginable. That might help clarify what's up.

[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

What an absolute ballbag Google is.

[–] Linssiili@sopuli.xyz 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The posts are from march 2023, and there are no ads yet :/

[–] theluddite@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Dates could be made up, too.The blog posts that I generated for my site included made up dates in the past. The internet archive says it has a snapshot for March of 2023, but when I click it, it says it doesn't, so I have no way of verifying. The theory about parking real estate hoping to sell it also seems pretty plausible to me. Who knows what dumb shit they're up to.

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[–] jdf038@mander.xyz 12 points 9 months ago

Perhaps parking a site for traffic and then using the enshitified data to sell it?

It makes me sick how dumb it sounds.

[–] crazyCat@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

People who care about SEO for their window-related businesses will pay the blog to link to them from there.

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[–] SomeGuy69@lemmy.world 45 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I need an AI Firefox extension that detects badly translated AI text and automatically blocks those domains.

[–] 50MYT@aussie.zone 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

A search engine that displays only human created content, and hides AI.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That will probably never be possible.

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[–] Pringles@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's actually a pretty good idea.

[–] crazyCat@sh.itjust.works 17 points 9 months ago

It is and it isn’t, “AI detection” is even crappier than AI is.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 43 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Thanks, scientists, couldn't have known that without you.

[–] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There is value in verifying and quantifying opinion, even if your sure this opinion is true.

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 43 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

For a time I thought this Fediverse thing would help or change things or something, but honestly...the Internet is just plain boring now...and it's pretty clear what is causing that: AI / SEO trash content, social media's rise, and commercialization of the Internet generally.

One day I was even feeling nostalgic so I went back to where I spent hours upon hours of my youth: EFNet on IRC...there was basically nobody there and of the few channels I saw some were even Trump-leaning weirdo "communities".

It's basically finished. I can't even find a decent place to procrastinate or hang out anymore on this POS. It's all just a giant ad surface and e-commerce portal. The fucking owners won.

[–] AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

EFNet is boomer shit. Most of IRC happens on other servers now, like LiberaChat, or on new protocols like Matrix.

We're still here, we're still alive

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[–] Just_Pizza_Crust@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The fucking owners won.

Always has been 🔫

That said, I would suggest smaller communities and private messaging. Find your niche and make it home.

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[–] Jayu@lemm.ee 28 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The most annoying aspect of this is when you know actual information has to be out there, but it is being drowned out by dozens of sites reposting the less relevant and low quality information... And then you go to search in another language and you see substandard machine translations of all the garbage you were just fleeing, lol.

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I was trying to find the radius of the corner of the iPad Pro. Not the screen, the actual device. No matter what I modified my search term to all I could find was information about the screen corner (and how it isn't a true radius and blah blah blah) or AI generated bullshit.

Eventually I gave up and changed the way I was tackling my project. I know the info is out there, people make cases for these things.

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 15 points 9 months ago

Turing tests solving turing tests solving turing tests

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The whole webring idea needs to come back. Human curated recommendations of good resources and pages. So long as these pages remain in the control of humans and dedicated to curation and are decentralised, unlike the search engines, then they’ll be reliable.

Plugging in some social and community organisation, perhaps like a wiki, and you could get even more out of it.

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[–] BetaDoggo_@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

This isn't shocking at all. The markets for obscure language content are incredibly small so there's no incentive for most to spend resources on it. I'd argue mediocre machine translation is better than nothing at all in many cases, but for unsupervised training it does pose a challenge.

[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They didn't only look at low-resource languages, they just started there because that was the problem domain. They found that 57% of ALL sentences on the Internet appeared to be machine translated, including translations into high-resource languages. The remaining 43% might also be machine generated, it just wasn't found to be part of a multi-way parallel group.

[–] Falcon@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Translation is very different from generation.

As a matter of fact, even AI generation has different grades of quality.

SEO garbage is certainly not the same as an article with AI generated components and very different from a translated article.

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Too good not to be ruined by humanity

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In the beginning humanity was created. This had made many people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.

Douglas Adams, probably...

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