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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 14 points 19 hours ago

I love how most of the replies here are people spitballing ideas for fixing the government, as if there weren't a bunch of nations who have already solved these problems which we could take inspiration from. Basically every democracy that was founded after us has looked at our mistakes and fixed them in one way or another.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmings.world 10 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

On a similar note, we need to boost SCOTUS to 29 or 31. The party membership of the court shouldn't be so tight that one bad faith president can negatively impact American policy for the next half century.

29 justices, with rolling term limits, so every president gets to appoint a few, but not enough to screw the results.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 3 points 3 hours ago

Judges shouldn't have political affiliations in the first place.

[–] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 7 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Congress should be huge like the writer says, but also chosen at random like jury duty.

Every January, NYE, the ball drops...and 10,000 new names are chosen. They're sworn in a few weeks later, when we used to swear in the new President.

No fund-raising, no campaigning, just 10,000 Americans of all walks of life, set together to steer the ship.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

That leaves a huge amount of power to the "random" selection algorithm and any other eligibility rules.

[–] Sludgeyy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Computers cannot be random, true.

Humans cannot be "random", true.

Things outside of Human and Computers control, "random" to us. E.g. Lava Lamps.

We have ways of "randomly" selecting people, and we also have ways of not throwing non-eligible people in the hat. A couple of non-eligible people in 10,000 isn't going to matter if at least 5001 people are eligible and competent.

Now are humans capable of letting this happen "randomly" is another story

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

This is fraught with problems, but just to make my point: those potential jurors go through the selection process where they are whittled down. Conflicts of interest, bias, and more are all taken into consideration.

There’s also the fact that many Americans are just idiots. A not insignificant number of people legitimately believe the earth is flat.

[–] itsprobablyfine@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah randomness has been used effectively in the past but typically not that broad. Adding some chance to the process can be a good thing though as it limits the impact of corruption.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 hours ago

Oh absolutely, I don’t mean to say there is zero merit to the idea. It could absolutely be worked into a better solution than is currently in place in pretty much any country.

[–] Lutra@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

In 1787 the population of the country was : 4Million. With roughtly 250,001 being able to vote. 250,001.

The current voting population 250,000,000

250 THOUSAND to 250 MILLION -- a THOUSAND times more Voters. A THOUSAND Time MORE voters.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 points 17 hours ago

As long as there's a rule that they can't be filled with Democrats or Republicans, it should be able to help democracy

[–] Folstar@lemmus.org 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

"Let's keep all the existing problems slightly repackaged and create new ones." -VP at a Think Tank

No wonder we're in so much trouble. With friends like this who needs enemies. Better solution:

No more geographic attachment for the House. Proportional representation time. In 1776, local concerns were much more distinct. Now, Anywhere USA is everywhere. Plus, Senators are still bound to states for people who worry about that. Instead, parties win seats based on a percentage of the vote they receive and can assign members (which they do already, just with more steps) as they see fit. Gerrymandering solved, also we just broke the terrible de facto 2 party system.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmings.world 2 points 20 hours ago

Having a district cross a state border will be a problem when a Rep has to navigate two separate state governmental systems when trying to access help for their constituents.

[–] recursivethinking@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's OK-ish sounding but I'm going to give the example of NY. NYC is a very different animal from the northern part of the state and local issues matter a great deal depending on which portion you live in. I imagine it's like that in other very large states and major cities in general.

I think perhaps there should be some accounting for population centers. Major cities simply have different concerns from rural areas, and it seems reasonable to have each be represented. But we may be getting into a "where does it stop" thing here.

I'm not sure how to skin that cat or if it's worth skinning. I generally agree with your proposal - the way it's currently done is absurd.

[–] Folstar@lemmus.org 1 points 4 hours ago

We have local and state governments. Focusing on these minor differences at the federal level made less and less sense with the industrial revolution, rail, telegraph, highway system, internet. I'm not sure where exactly we crossed over from valid governance to outdated system to absurd, but we're definitely there.

Also, these differences tend to be overblown which is why people, politicians speak about them in the vaguest of terms. Yes, when comparing a large city to hill people there might be some differences (though again, far less than historically). However, we're at the federal level and big city to big city and hill people to hill people it's all more or less Anywhere, USA.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

parties win seats based on a percentage of the vote they receive and can assign members (which they do already, just with more steps) as they see fit. Gerrymandering solved, also we just broke the terrible de facto 2 party system

Nope. If people only get one vote (vs, say, ranked choice) then they have to be tactical about their one selection. This forces "Abilene effect" voting.

[–] Folstar@lemmus.org 1 points 4 hours ago

Nope. There are many proportional government systems in the world that work just fine. Ranked choice makes zero sense in this context. Assuming everyone will be tactical is cute. The considerable leap in logic to the Abilene effect is... where to begin? First, we already have coalitions they just form before the election, but the voters are NOT deciding the power balance at the DNC/RNC. Second, nothing is forced and Abilene Effect is not a state of being. Third, as Larry David said “A good compromise is when both parties are dissatisfied”.

[–] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 63 points 1 day ago (3 children)

You need to purge your government of the selfish, the cruel and the corrupt. It doesn't matter what form of organization you choose if you don't keep the assholes out of power.

[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

See... That the problem, the quote that best comes to mind is.

" The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.

To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.

To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. "

-Douglas Adams

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[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Start with an automatic retirement age; no one over the age of 65 (for example) can serve as an elected representative.

Honestly, the same should likely apply to voter eligibility - to be honest - but that’s a whole separate argument for another time.

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[–] Hapankaali@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (16 children)

I read the article, but don't follow the argument. Add some seats, and then each representative will represent fewer voters. So what? How does that fix gerrymandering or make elections more representative?

The easiest solution is of course proportional representation. Can't gerrymander if there are no districts.

But if you must have districts for some reason, then... just don't put politicians in charge of drawing them.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

More representatives means more districts. More districts means smaller districts. The smaller the district the harder it is to gerrymander. If you take this to the extreme, a district is one person and that person is the representative, there is no gerrymandering and you’d have a true democracy.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago (5 children)

To try and understand how/why adding additional seats to Congress would be a positive change (or really, ANY proposal) - take the most extreme ends of the spectrum:

With 1 single seat, 50.1% of voters would get 100% of the representation.

With 1 seat for every voter, 50.1% of voters would get 50.1% of the representation.

Obviously, not EVERY single person can be a congressman - so the goal should be to find the minimum number of representatives required to optimally represent the populace.

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[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We'll it would be harder to pick some Democrats from this neighborhood and a bunch of Republicans from that neighborhood if the district size is only one neighborhood

Also it would allow for more specific representation. Using myself as an example, my district is basically my county plus a couple small parts of some neighboring counties. One end of the county is pretty rural, the other half butts up against a major city and pretty much just bleeds right into it. We have some ridiculously wealthy old money areas, and we have some that look like they were plucked from a movie about gang violence. There's a few towns here that I've legitimately never even had to drive through. It's kind of insane that all of these different areas are being represented by the same person, we have very different and sometimes conflicting concerns. And if I needed to go to my representatives office for any reason, I'd have to drive about an hour to get there because of course she's set up shop at the far end of the county from me.

Personally, I think the ideal way to draw districts is to kind of have voters do it when they vote. Give them a map, have them select the areas where they live, work, shop, drive through regularly, or have other connections to until they've selected an area with a big enough population to be a district. Then feed those maps into a computer and have it average them all together to generate the new district map.

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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Making the granularity finer doesn't do anything to resolve the underlying structural and governance problems.

[–] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago

Yes it does!

It's much harder to herd 10,000 cats than it is 100. Those in power who play defense for the status quo will definitely notice the difference.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Get rid of the parties and just have a government of the people. Vote on issues, not for people.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

The US started that way. They ended up having parties again almost immediately.

[–] Folstar@lemmus.org 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The FF tried that and it immediately failed, leaving us with a system ill equipped to handle political parties.

[–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
[–] ironeagl@sh.itjust.works 3 points 17 hours ago

Founding Fathers

[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I'm not necessarily sold on the idea that reps of a given state should only be responsible for a very small subsection of people who are likely poorly informed. Just thinking of my own representative, who won against a progressive based entirely on name recognition rather than policy, it seems abundantly clear that money can easily touch all races whereas educated voters and advocacy may not exist in enough districts to be meaningful. Money can, and in quantities above the median income with ease.

After reading the article, I think there's a inherent assumption that more means harder to gerrymander, but every republican gerrymandering recently released is computer generated. What would prevent them from arguing the districts of densely black areas thinly sliced from urban areas and then expanded out to suburbs is legal? When computer modeling and accurate voter information is supplied the possibilities of gerrymandering are not remotely hampered by increased resolution of the electoral maps. The districting will come to head with the notion that the same district even be contiguous. Do you trust SCOTUS to affirm it needs to be?

[–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I'd argue that it is a lot easier to inform the public when the campaign doesn't have to cover as much area and that it becomes more difficult to buy every race when there are more of them.

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