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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 9 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

In the UK, pubs have a system to share data on local troublemakers. I know a lot of people in the business (a family member is a pub manager) and it's entirely used to keep people out who have committed acts of aggression. The info shared is "X pub has banned Y person for Z reason." Other pubs can do the same if they choose. That way, if one pub owner is known to be overly ban-happy, the others aren't obliged to go along with it. You quickly learn which owners have sense and which don't. And the bans are almost always time-limited.

And yeah, pubs in the UK generally have CCTV. The retention period is short, the data is held by the pub, not shared with the police unless the police request it, and it's one of the only ways an assault in a pub will be prosecuted. If someone kicks off on you, that footage can be the difference between you (or them) being charged or not.

So a system like that can be run responsibly, protect patrons, and not be a surveillance hell. Whether that's what's happening in the 'Stro is another question. I'd say that anything beyond face, name and reason for being banned constitutes excessive data collection. There's no reason to know the person's address. The other ways to maintain privacy protection are having a short data retention policy and not sharing the data wholesale with the police or other authorities. If the US had something like the GDPR, that'd help.

[–] usernametbd@lemmy.zip 49 points 9 hours ago

Do these people not think how face scans of a historically marginalized group could be used by bad actors? Especially when project 2025 explicitly targets LGBTQ+ people and the rise of Christian nationalism. You don’t have to dig far in the right wing discourse to find calls for direct persecution of LGBTQ+ people. This is just dense and naive.

[–] stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 10 points 7 hours ago

Most of the clubs in my city have used this type of system for over 15 years. It's billed as a way to keep known gang members and people who have assaulted others from the establishments the use the system.

Definitely has a different connotation of surveillance now than when I was out partying at places with it.

[–] Hakuso@scribe.disroot.org 21 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Because they are after all the LGBT, nobody is safe, and the companies running these systems are building the profiles that will be used when they move on to the next step of christian nationalist agression.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 hours ago

Bars in the Castro are almost entirely LGBT-owned. So I'd expect that the owners will be maintaining some due diligence of the companies used. Could be wrong, though.

[–] turtlesareneat@piefed.ca 40 points 10 hours ago

Non tech people don't understand, gay bar owners are not civil rights advocates who are attuned to digital privacy. It's ignorance and I hope to god they get a shitton of media attention that teaches them this is a bad idea, and then we can start a movement on it.

[–] shrek_is_love@lemmy.ml 61 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

he was unaware Mix could share patron data with neighboring businesses but did not see a problem with it. “I think it’s cute that they share it amongst other bars,” he wrote. “It’s like a little cybersecurity community.”

[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

So, you have one bad interaction with some jerk, and then you get a life ban that propagates through the whole city?

Seems rather shit. We might as well roll out a social credit scoring system. I bet you don't even get three strikes.

I would likely avoid any venue with a system like this anyway, so it won't matter if I'm banned or not.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 8 points 6 hours ago

No, it's cute!

[–] KingKong33@lemmy.ml 37 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine being excited your personal data is being treated like the neighborhood fuckboy.

[–] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 hours ago

Well at least one of us is getting some action

[–] tlekiteki@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 hours ago

close; les natali

[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 17 points 10 hours ago

I'm tired. I read "Costco gay bars" at first and thought $1.50 hot dogs at a gay bar would be a helluva good business idea.

Now I'm thinking of some nice man wearing a party shirt with the Kirkland logo all over it.

Maybe it's just any gay bar that caters to middle age and older. After the days of youthful, wild parties give way to tamer, fiscally responsible nights. Gotta get to bed early enough to wake up for a run to the real Costco before it gets too busy. The kids need a palette of La Croix.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 9 points 10 hours ago

Castro bars? Must be for Fidelity.

[–] FrankFrankson@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

They should only scan trouble makers after they make trouble. Any face scans on entry should be checking against the trouble maker database then not save anything unless there is a hit. They should not default to saving everyones data.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 6 hours ago

facial scan is always used for surveillance, its never about security.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 9 points 8 hours ago

They shouldn't scan anyone. It will always be abused.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Are there non-gay bars on Castro st? Never been to SF but all I know is that’s like the most iconic/historic gay district

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 hours ago

Non-gay people can go into the bars too. How appropriate that would be depends on the bar. Some are more like neighborhood bars, others are more meat markets. Being a man and going into a lesbian bar can be awkward, depending on context (it's usually OK if you're a guest of a lesbian friend as long as it's not a separatist bar, not so OK if you're coming in on your own and aren't known to the clients or bar staff, and very much not OK if you're hitting on the clientele). Context matters.