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[–] Kissaki@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Shouldn't compilers (in this case LLVM) cover such CPU bugs with flags? So users can commit to either evading CPU bugs or not.

It'd also be a good entry-point and overview of what CPU bugs are out there. Without it, how are you supposed to know about and evaluate them?

[–] fruitcantfly@programming.dev 3 points 3 hours ago

You probably could implement some workarounds in the compiler, though the linked Oodle blog-post does a good job of explaining why that isn't feasible in this particular case:

The bug is not a flaw in the CPU logic as such, but rather the result of the CPU physically degrading due to design flaws. And for whatever reason, that degradation most frequently manifested as the mov instruction occasionally doing the wrong thing. Though the blog-post also makes it clear that this is not the only issue resulting from this degradation.

Moreover, the mov instruction is a very common instruction, so a general workaround for this problem would affect large parts of the resulting programs. For example, the 1-line function that Godbolt uses as its example code results in 3 mov instructions when compiled without optimizations:

int square(int num) {
    return num * num;
}

becomes

"square(int)":
        push    rbp
        mov     rbp, rsp
        mov     DWORD PTR [rbp-4], edi
        mov     eax, DWORD PTR [rbp-4]
        imul    eax, eax
        pop     rbp
        ret
[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was kinda surprised as well that you couldn't annotate the function or something. But then again, an attribute like "please don't use this instruction" sounds like something that's pretty hard to integrate in the code generation. What kind of flag would you use? I don't think you want to apply that flag to everything, just to that particular function.

[–] Kissaki@programming.dev 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I would expect it to apply to everything. You don't want to hit the issues in the first place.

It seems like a weighing of (safe) CPU support vs better generated instructions. If you don't care about a CPU generation, maybe because it's old enough, or your target environment is restricted/controlled, you don't enable it. If it's still out there and you want to or have to support it, you enable it.

I would imagine a "CPU-Workaround--" or something, and if you enable it, it completely evades the instruction constellations that cause the issues and uses alternatives instead.

Maybe it could have "evade completely" (same code runs on every CPU) and "generate cpu-checked workaround code branches" (faulty CPUs execute a different branch) as alternatives.

[–] vas@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's a very... non-descriptive post?

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] TechnoCat@piefed.social 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People usually include a summary or first few paragraphs in the text of their post along with the link.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I honestly don't think that is very usual. I would even say it's more usual to see bare links posted, at least if I look in my own feed. But maybe that's just the sort of stuff I follow.

[–] BB_C@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People usually like at least some minimal context attached, in case they are not familiar with the topic at hand.

But as it happens, the title of this specific post is rather self-documenting. So I'm not sure what's "non-descriptive" about it.

Or perhaps we have automated complaining now, pushing against automated low quality (re-)posting. And we got caught in the middle as remnants of the genuine human interaction that used to take place online 🙂.

[–] vas@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can assure you it's not "automated" or anything like that. I usually prefer to see an excert of the post that caught the poster's attention, or any info in that realm really.

For me it's interesting because nowadays we have frequently too much information, not too little.

If the majority of the title (and body) is the name of a company or organization, I get cautious.

[–] BB_C@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

zlib-rs => crate replacing non-rust zlib
firefox => where the replacement is happening
trifecta => the foundation sponsored to develop the replacements

Maybe I'm influenced by the fact that I pre-knew all of the above. But as I wrote, it's quite ironic choosing this perfect title in particular to complain about 😉.

On the topic of low(ish) level dependencies getting incrementally replaced with Rust rewrites, a Google employee did a presentation on the same topic recently.

[–] vas@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Makes sense now! Also, the post itself is good! (Pre-knowledge of the terms possibly helped you, yes.)

[–] Kissaki@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

Posts usually show a summary through the website provided metadata, though, but this website doesn't.

Dunno if that's what the original commenter was thinking of, though.