Manfred Weber of the CSU (EVP chairman) introduced this personally. Roberta Metsola helped him through the procedure.
Remember these names, make sure they lose their jobs.
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You mean the purpose and the means are the same?
The more I hear about The Pirate Party the more I like them.
Are there any Pirate Party representatives in Denmark?
How long until they say "people are using E2E to get around this. We need to ban/include E2E now"?
"E2E is just for pedos" incoming.
Me and my friend already set up a Matrix server with E2E. I'm hoping Fluxer will get E2E.
I checked the danish votes here and it seems like only social demokratiet (social democrats) voted against this bill. All other stronger left leaning parties voted for it as well as all the centrist and right leaning parties. Truly disappointing.
You are looking at this vote the wrong way around. Voting for the bill meant voting for the derogation of chat control, i.e. voting against chat control. The reason chat control passed isn't because the majority voted "for" chat control, it's because not enough voted "against" in a move where if less than 361 voted for the derogation it would automatically be reinstated.
So the EU made everyone put endless cookie acceptance popups up in the name of "privacy" then turns around and flagrantly violates it in the name of "protecting children". In the US the only thing that isn't done in the name of "protecting children" is gun regulation.
The EU didn't make anyone do that, site that have no business recoding the information put those up as a dark pattern to try and force people into accepting the terms so they can claim informed consent to the tracking. It's malicious compliance, they could just not collect that tracking data that isn't required to provide the service.
You got it a little backwards. Websites were already collecting that data and adding those cookies, the EU regulation forced them to tell you about it and let you opt-out.
Wow the EU pulls ahead of the US in the competition to become the most comprehensive surveillance state
tl;dr, they waited for the opposition to go on holiday and then pushed through a special resolution that required them to vote no in order to not pass. It's shady as fuck.
It's almost like our institutions and political class across the developed world are acting on behalf of capital and not in the peoples best interests...
Maybe that's why they all collude with surveillance capitalism to violate our civil rights wholesale, and expand the surveillance state...
These are not the actions of a government "for the people". These are the actions of criminally corrupt tyrants and traitors who should spend the rest of their lives in prison. The fact that they won't should tell you everything you need to know about our "democracies".
How does this help the capital? Those big tech companies have the data already and mine it for ad profiling and teaching AI. I’m not saying it isn’t, I would only like to hear your thoughts.
This is just one small step in the multi-decade implementation of mass surveillance.
"We're already scanning all of your files for X. Why don't we also scan them for all other crimes, A-Z?"
Statistical models and inference are mathematically guaranteed to have false positives and false negatives. False positives in this context mean entirely innocent people will be flagged and scrutinised, and have their private data shared, or potentially be investigated, when they have done nothing wrong at all. If fingerprints are one in a 1 million, and you have a database of a billion people, on average you'll implicate ~1000 innocent people every time you run a print. That's how you end up with millions of people on a watchlist. It's criminally incompetent, at best.
They had this surveillance, on a far greater scale, in communist countries like East Germany so it isn't just about capitalism.
We don't live in East Germany. We're supposed to be living in democracies where our governments act in our best interests, and our rights are not for sale.
They had this surveillance, on a far greater scale
This is a mentally-ill level of ignorance. The KGB or Gestapo couldn't even dream of the surveillance state Western capitalism has already built. They didn't have tracking devices and microphones in the pockets of most adults on Earth. They didn't capture millions of data points about all of their daily lives. They didn't have billion dollar economies structured around the capture and sale of that data. They didn't have the ability to flag dissidents or resistance autonomously, in real-time based on statistical modeling, or the capability to execute everyone they flag as opposition with cheap fully-autonomous drones. This is called turnkey-totalitarianism. All the tools have already been built. The only thing a tyrant needs to do is turn the key.
Either educate yourself about the world or keep your ignorance to yourself. Your opinion is currently worthless.
Taking a lesson in underhanded politics from US republicans. Pass shitty legislation at midnight when nobody else is around to disagree with them.
Huh, that sounds like there's some next system level evaluation that can repel it then
Well, my country's legislative bunch has already said, that mass surveilance is against our constitution. I doubt Finland is the only country in EU to have that, so even if it passes fully, it is going to have some big hurdles ahead.
Possibly, but Finland still uses Palantir tech, so who knows if they're following the constitution
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Worst part is - this is the fuel for anti-EU crowd.
Is it the worst part? I think the worst part is that is happening. And yes, this definitely gives me anti-EU sentiment. (And I have always been pro-EU)
The problem with today's politics is the cult mentality that comes with it. There is such "keep supporting our team" rethoric that fucking politicians count on it. We should just hold them accountable.
This is my line in the sand, Fuck EU, Fuck all the parties voting yes, and Fuck every-fucking-one.
If everyone is acting fascist, there is no point on trying to stop fascism. And whether you like it or not this is Fascist as fuck.
The brexit folks will point at this.
Yeah but the UK has been notably more censorious/orwellian since Brexit, so it's a weak comparison.
(Not that they've got many strong comparisons on their side)
Why is it the worst part? If the EU admin does not represent its constituents, it should be threatened. Otherwise it ends up being undemocratic rep of various business interests.
Something something governments should be scared of their people
„The Council then sent the file back to Parliament at the beginning of the vacation season, where it was difficult to secure the necessary majority to dismiss it again“
What are we paying these people for? It should be obvious that it is Part of your duties being a member of parliament to monitor and act on stuff while being on vacation.
When I have vacation, I don’t want to be bothered with work related stuff either. I understand their want for a vacation, and they should not be blamed. The system that allows this chicanery is at fault here.
The neat part is the system doesn't allow it but the person that had to reject it was for this so she didnt
FFS this isn't some factory job where you punch in and out. If you can't have your precious vacation interrupted for the sake of the nation you should find another job
I don't want to be bothered while on vacation either, but if something happens at work that needs my specific attention someone will find me.
For fuck's sakes we can't be taking server rooms more seriously than democracy.
I’m sorry but you’re enabling this behavior. When I take an official holiday, I’m unavailable for work, simple as that. Work is a part of my life, not the definition of my life.
As per Wikipedia on the topic.
As of July 1, 2019, the monthly salary is of €8,932.86, or just over €107,000 per year.[15] MEPs also receive a general expenditure allowance of €4,563 per month.[15]
If I can be called in from vacation for €43k a year, these cunts can come in to vote for the fucking future of democracy for €107k.
Is it right to interrupt vacations? No. Does it matter in this case? Also the fuck no. The thing happened! They weren't there! If they want better rights or whatever I guess they should fucking unionise or whatever. Sitting out on a vote of this magnitude is beyond reprehensible.
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The total vote count required shouldn't change if someone's on vacation.
If they can't vote remotely or by proxy, then the vote should either be delayed or extended, or anyone absent should be listed as not present or abstained. Either way the percentage of "yes" votes shouldn't be any different from if every seat was in attendance.
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I don’t want to be bothered with work related stuff either. I understand their want for a vacation, and they should not be blamed
Have you ever heard the phrase, "With great power comes great responsibility"? Yes, it's from some dumb capeshit, but it's true. If you want to be elected into a position of such power, then you're voluntarily signing up for the responsibility, including the responsibility to keep shit like this from happening when you go on vacation.
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It's not a regular job though. They know what they're getting into.
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To be fair, Europe is all about their summer vacations.
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So what does this mean? Do we have to use China-based chat apps to avoid domestic spying? I assume US companies (including Whatsapp) will bend to the ruling
I'd say probably best to not trust apps at all. You could roll your own Matrix instance for example, but then who's to say that the client applications don't comply?
Trust no one, I suppose.
The source code of the client applications prove they don't comply.
The amended EP position adopts a positive, yet rather cosmetic amendment proposed by the liberal RENEW group that would “exclude communications to which end-to-end encryption is, has been, or will be applied” from the scope of the law.
This isnt cosmetic, this is genius! It satisfies lawmakers who want to make this pass to "save the children" and have no idea of the consequences, and it satisfies the lawmakers with braincells since makes the law inapplicable to secure communications.
I hope this does pass so they finally stop trying to push it through. But since they did pass the voluntary one but are still trying to pass the non-voluntary one, I think they will just try to spam chat control laws until their dystopic aim is achieved.
They still get to eavesdrop on your e-mails.
You know, the digital version of mail.
Guess who used to open and read people's mail ... oh, yeah, the political police of every fucking dictatorship in Europe (both Fascist and Communist) during the XX century.
This is the shit these people in supposedly Democratic nations have enacted.
If you're a citizen in an EU member state, I suggest you have a look at who are the MEPs in you country who voted for this shit. In mine - Portugal - which had a Fascist dictatorship complete with mail opening secret police, this was passed entirely with the votes of the mainstream parties and even the far-right voted against it.
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You shouldn’t worry about it unless you do not use E2E encrypted communication
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