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A woman drives with both hands on the wheel. Her phone sits face-down on her lap. No officer pulls her over. No lights flash. Weeks later, a $1,251 ticket arrives in the mail. The evidence: a single frame from a Camera surveillance app. The charge: phone use while driving.

Automated camera companies market their devices as automated license plate readers — tools for catching stolen cars, flagging warrants, and aiding serious investigations.

Sold as a Crime Tool. Used as a Fine Machine.

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[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 31 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

That's the law here. Phone has to be securely stowed. Driving with it on your lap gets you a distracted driving ticket. Even if you weren't planning on looking at it. A sudden traffic move means its falling on the floor and driver is going to try to reach for it.

[–] Zagorath@quokk.au 22 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Yup. I'm not surprised at Americans being opposed to it, but here in Australia we have cameras that detect phone usage while driving. The fine itself is issued after a person verifies the photo. And I am fully supportive of it. Driving a motor vehicle is an insanely fucking dangerous task. If your full attention isn't on it, you deserve to receive a fine. Keep the phone stowed securely in a holder, or away in your pocket.

The freedom of me to be able to make my trip on foot or bike—or even in my own car—without being killed by you far outweighs any idea of freedom you might have to be able to have your phone on your lap.

Australians and Canadians have some pretty bad entitlement when it comes to driving. But neither of us are anywhere near as entitled as Americans. Discussions like the one in this thread make that very clear. !fuckcars@lemmy.world

[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 1 points 34 minutes ago

Americans don't love freedom, they love being special. If we apply the law evenly, we can't selectively apply it againsts Blacks, Minorities and Poors. The law is there to keep me comfortable and them in line. If we start applying the laws like I'm not special, it'll just be anarchy.

Why do you think SovCit nonsense got so big there? Gotta be special, I learned the secret Naval codes that unlock free travel.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I’m not surprised at Americans being opposed to it, but here in Australia we have cameras that detect phone usage while driving.

They're also against all their movements being recorded, ID requirements for websites, etc. Crazy people, who would ever want to not be tracked every second of their waking lives?

[–] Zagorath@quokk.au -2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Sure, and I'll agree with them on those points.

But Americans tend to be the most likely to take things a step too far. Opposing speeding cameras, red light cameras, and phone use cameras is not the same as those things. These are all dangerous but normalised behaviours that should be cracked down on for genuine public safety.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 59 minutes ago)

I'm not American myself, but phone use cameras can't work without being constantly on. Speeding cameras flash when speeding is detected, red light cameras too. Phone detection requires AI so it's gonna be a constant video stream. Everyone's going to be recorded 24/7 and it doesn't matter if you're driving, cycling or walking. Who says how long the data is being kept and where it's going?

I tend to think that having speeding cameras in crucial spots is necessary (in some places they straight up exist to collect funds though) and a busy or dangerous intersection absolutely merits a red light camera... But I don't want phone detection cameras purely because of how invasive it is.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Loser. Pay up! Put your phone away.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 21 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 6 points 2 hours ago

Just think how safe the world would be if everyone was monitored 24 hours per day, for their safety of course.

[–] auzy1@lemmy.world -2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Not allowed to keep her phone on her lap when driving. Let's be honest, she used it, and put it down quickly

Here in Australia a cop busted me using my phone once (not defendable, but I was at a red light).

I have no problem with that. I also have no problem with mobile phone detection either still despite getting pulled over

If you don't want to follow the traffic laws don't drive or change country (but don't complain if you get hit by a oncoming car)

[–] FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world 1 points 16 minutes ago

The only problem I have is with the camera doing the police work. Like getting a speeding ticket for 26 in a 25 from a speed trap camera -- a cop may or may not pull you over in that instance, because a cop can look at the whole scenario/variables and decide if that extra one mile really was a danger to others.

Yeah, this moron was probably using the phone. And every asshole using their phone at a red light means fewer cars get through that red light because they're too busy looking at their phone to notice that the light has changed or the car in front of them has moved. But let's have a person making this decision to issue a ticket -- a phone at a red light at 3am is much different than a phone at a red light at 515pm.

[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 15 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (3 children)

Hey, they could connect the car 'driver attention camera' thing, the OBD car speed stuff, and the in-car GPS to the municipality, the insurance company, and your credit card or bank account.

That way, the minute you look away, go a little over the speed limit, or check your phone message, they just gouge some cash out of your bank account. After three of these, your insurance rate goes up. After the tenth time, your health insurance and employer will be notified.

Fun times! 🎉

Edit: every damn step of this is now available via APIs or Agentic MCPs. There is zero technical barrier for this happening. Sleep tight y'all.

[–] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org -1 points 21 minutes ago

You describe it as a nightmare, but on the other hand: People are operating multi-ton vehicles at high speeds in urban areas and are causing thousands of casualities doing that every year. A person operating a car should focus on the road and driving. If he/she is speeding, checking the phone, eating, smoking or fighting with their co-driver or kids, that's not safe and needs to be stopped.

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

There is zero technical barrier for this happening.

I guess we'll have to make a disincentivization barrier instead.

[–] Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 hour ago

People that get caught driving drunk get an alcohol lock on their car, let's at the very least install a speed check (hard limiter or the automatic fine thing) in repeat offenders' cars

[–] Naevermix@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

A danger to herself and others. Well fined.

[–] Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

obviously LLM-generated article from an odd outlet that publishes five articles every hour

the news is real because it just regurgitates 404media

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

The summary OP posted is LLM slop as well

[–] EnsignWashout@startrek.website 169 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Let's be sure to name and shame, for anyone who missed it: Georgia and Florida.

Company is - you guessed it - Flock.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 41 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Flock is shit, but apparently not the one who did this. Ig they could be lying?

Flock Safety reached out to us to clarify that our information was wrong. Flock cameras were not involved with the woman driving with her phone story. Alexandra Parade, where the incident took place, is a well traveled coastal highway with systems operated by state revenue programs. We have corrected that and removed any mention of Flock being involved with that story.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

I think people are rightfully referring to mass surveillance system cameras as Flock cameras.

Even if the company folds, the cameras will still be operated. It doesnt matter what the brand is that makes em.

It matters people know what they are.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 10 points 10 hours ago

When I first heard of the amputee story (a bodycam video/audio of the initial encounter) it sounded to me like this was good old-fashioned police work, followed up with a typical harassment citation to send the citizen they didn't like's attitude to court if they wanted a chance to prove that they weren't holding a phone in their amputated hand.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 65 points 11 hours ago

I remember the NSA massive surveillance machine during the George W. Bush administration and Obama administration that tracked phone metadata and internet traffic that left or entered the US (which was used to justify a lot of surveillance of US citizens). Even after the Snowden disclosures of 2013 we were promised that the system was only meant to track foreign terrorists.

Then we learned that DEA had full access to it, and that NSA was sending hints to law enforcement about large amounts of cash in transit so it could be intercepted for purposes of asset forfeiture, what is nothing short of robbery of civilians by law enforcement officers.

This is an example of mission creep, in this case how it affects the surveillance state. Once we allow a method or technology to be used for major crime (like terrorism), it will eventually be used even for minor crime (like drug possession or distracted driving).

It's very common for courts to forgive a violation of fourth amendment protections against unreasonable search when the violation presents evidence for a major crime, but then that case will be used as precedent when the same violation occurs and discovers a minor infraction.

This is how, during the aughts and 2010s, the Fourth Amendment was gutted by a long run of carve-outs. Now, a police officer or state agent can violate your privacy without a warrant via a whole range of exceptions:

~ If the crime they discover is significant (SCOTUS suggested controlled substance possession as an example)
~ Using specialized technology, say long-range multi-spectrum cameras, or using a drone.
~ If probable cause can be established. A favorite is a detection dog that signals on anything and has a 90%+ false positive rate.¹ (This is a particular beef of mine, since fake detection dogs are now more common than actual detection dogs, and dogs are losing their presumption of regularity as a result.)
~ If the police officer was acting in good faith, which is obtusely defined and is very hard to disprove. ~ If the suspect is non-white or otherwise suspicious due prejudice. Really, in a lot of counties, law enforcement are allowed to operate on hunches, or have a suspicious activity parameter list that is so encompassing (and often contradictory) that it's impossible to be credulous.

If you want to know how we got here these were already problems during the Obama administration when we had allegedly reasonable people in elected offices. And while they discussed the risk of too much power falling into the wrong hands, they felt compelled to keep it.

Whether the One Ring, or the Ring of Gyges, power without consequence is too seductive.

¹ A similar issue is the $2 roadside drug test which reacts to a lot of substances that aren't controlled, such as glazed sugar off a donut. These were originally supposed to be then verified later in a lab, but instead were used to establish probable cause, and eventually were used as evidence in court.

[–] Soulphite@reddthat.com 105 points 14 hours ago (13 children)

Unconstitutional. Get that stupid ass shit dismissed in court.

[–] just2look@lemmy.zip 80 points 13 hours ago (6 children)

Get it dismissed, and then sue the department that sent the fine.

[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 hours ago

I have my windows illegally tinted (including windshield) all around so...hopefully this helps.

Also fuck flock.

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