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I'm boring and I really like rotating megastructures. I think what I find fascinating is they're feasible for us to make IRL if we somehow figure out refining on the moon and mass drivers (ignoring the economics too lol) since they use conventional materials even for relatively large ones.
Everyone is always focused on terraforming or colonizing distant planets. A rotating habitat is engineered to be exactly what we need better than any planet we can colonize.
Life on Mars would be demonstrably worse. You need to bury your habs under meters of regolith to not kill your colonists from radiation. Going outside is a space walk with a laundry list of items you need to attend to with little to no time to enjoy being outdoors (you're in a suit regardless which means it sucks to some extent no matter what)
A rotating Hab means you can live much closer to how you live on Earth
I love the dying earth trope. Its earth, but millions if not billions of years after present day. I love thinking about what the humanity of today might leave to be discovered by whatever comes next. I think the first real exposure I had to it in media was that Artificial Intelligence movie from 2001. Its been around in fiction a lot longer, but that was the first time I really "got" it. Its so neat to me to think about how an alien (or a distantly removed human) might interpret the present day.
This reminded me of the Pern books from Anne McCaffrey. For the most part they seem to be in a medieval setting but the planet they are on was originally colonized before they lost their modern technology due to a natural disaster. One book was written about this colonization period. Most of the books are set centuries later. At some point they rediscover old ruins from the colonization and manage to reactivate an AI system.
In Doctor who spin-off media there exists a voodoo time-travelling cult called faction paradox. They wear bones and skulls. To obtain these they find a species, hunt them, then go back in time and prevent that species from ever having existed in the first place
So they’re wearing the real bones of creatures who never evolved and never existed
That’s pretty cool
Ok that's cool as shit, bleak as it may be
Elite Dangerous's Frame Shift Drive having both modes of operation with the standard Alcubierre drive which allows you to do FTL by contracting spacetime around your ship (hence frame shift) or near instant system travel by creating a wormhole to travel through.
The catch is that while supercruise has been around for a long time and works just as you expect, the wormhole hyperjump is new reverse engineered tech by captured Thargoid technology.
The drive uses mass to guide the ship to the destination, meaning it can only work by locking onto primary stars of a system. You can only make wormhole jumps between systems but must use supercruise to get to where you actually need within the system.
Also that mass affects its operation:
Being close to any mass will affect the FSD charge time. While being next to a heavier ship will merely make it charge slower, the FSD will get mass-locked should the ship be next to something extremely massive (station, asteroid field, etc.) and will be unable to charge at all.
I don't play Elite anymore, but I've always really appreciated how elegant the FSD is and wanted more games to copy it. The physics of it just feels sensible. It explains away the lack of FTL ramming while simultaneously being a safety mechanic for the player. Looking at it as a pure game mechanic, it self-balances travel times so that distances many orders of magnitude apart are compressed together into a much more practical range.
My friend always complained that that jumping between systems is unnecessary. That you should just be able to to fire up your FSD and go between systems that way. I don't know if this would be better, I think we all understand that the wormhole is just a loading screen that makes you wait longer than loading the actual system. I don't play Elite anymore either, I did all 5 of the activities it offers lol.
I just did the math, and using the FSD presented in-game to travel from Sol to Alpha Centauri would take 20 real life hours, so I think it's fine to say that, yes, FSD can technically be used for interstellar travel in lore, but it's so impractical versus jumping that it might as well not exist.
Also, yeah, the game doesn't offer a lot of variety. I only still want to pop in occasionally, because the immersiveness in VR is something special. It makes combat really fun and space trucking really cozy. Unfortunately, there's not much else going for it. I just don't get how all the faction war stuff is supposed to be appealing.
The evolved species in Adrian Tchaikovsky's "children of time" series. So much thought and detail went into them and he's a fantastically descriptive storyteller. His command of language is superb.
I don't want to spoiler too much beyond that but it's easily my favourite series.
"We're going on an adventure"
Yes, especially the first book, thought that was excellent. Less so for me the third one, and I haven't read the fourth one yet.
A couple from from Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy series have always stood out to me:
The Infinite Improbability Drive is used to propel a spaceship by means of increasing improbability to infinity. It ramps up improbability at your departure point until you are literally everywhere at once since everything is possible, then ramps it back down leaving you at your destination. The offshoot being a whole lot of highly improbable other things happen in the vicinity.
The Total Perspective Vortex is a machine that upon entering gives one a perfect sense of perspective of the entirety of existence (which it derives from a piece of cake.) No one emerges sane. It was invented by a guy to get his wife to stop nagging him.
I really like sci fi settings where there is one major leap of physics that has ramifications across the rest of the setting.
Mass Effect is my prime example with the discovery of mass effect fields that allow the manipulation of how much mass things have. This is the basis for local interstellar travel after using a mass relay, as the mass of the ship is reduced for acceleration greater than the speed of light. Artificial gravity is created by increasing the mass of the floor. Guns work by electromagnetically accelerating bullets through a reduced mass field for greater acceleration, while shields work by emitting repulsive mass effect fields.
In The Expanse, the only technological breakthrough that doesn’t feel like a natural extension of modern technology is the Epstein Drive. The only thing it does is make propulsion engines fuel efficient enough that they can burn nonstop between destinations, which allows a ship to constantly accelerate to its destination instead of reaching a maximum velocity then floating the rest of the way there. It cuts down travel times between planets from months/years to weeks, and allows the society presented to exist.
You might be interested in browsing through this site:
https://projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/
It talks about a lot of sci fi tropes from a hard science perspective, and goes over FTL specifically:
https://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/fasterlight.php
It's kind of a downer site in some respects because it does a lot of "here's why your favorite sci fi series is unrealistic", but in that discussion there's a lot of looking at interesting tropes and concepts. There's also a good explainer for FTL specifically here:
https://www.physicsmatt.com/blog/2016/8/25/why-ftl-implies-time-travel
My current favorite topic is the idea of a world ark, a self-contained world adrift in space containing the remnants of life from a doomed world, and the inhabitants aren't aware of it. Intetestingly it has been featured in two different games: SOMA and Genshin Impact. I'm currently working on a TTRPG campaign within such a world.
I've been thinking of an idea like this for a while. A bubble of stars and planets preserved from a dying universe, either doomed to drift the void for eternity or perhaps lucky enough to stumble into a new existence. Either way, I imagine people on worlds with a countable number of stars in the sky. Think of it as almost the same as a world arc, but on a local cluster scale instead of planetary.
I don’t know if this is the same or at least similar, but I’ve always been fascinated by the idea of a generation starship that is moving toward the universe either toward another planet, in search of another planet, or simply as an indefinitely mobile home. It’s wild to imagine generations being born and living on the starship without having any real understanding of the place that humans came from. Stories of Earth would start to seem like wild folklore and mythology rather than actual human history.
Eventually, some generations may become angry that the decision to live on this starship was made by other people many generations before them, and now everyone on the starship is cursed to live under that decision. Was the starship navigation designed so that people may one day change the course? Or perhaps enormous safeguards were put into place to ensure that the ship kept going toward the initial objective because all other options were decidedly much much worse for everyone.
Eventually, some generations may become angry that the decision to live on this starship was made by other people many generations before them, and now everyone on the starship is cursed to live under that decision.
In Genshin Impact, it's not known by the vast population that the planet they're on isn't a normal world. But it's expansive enough that I think most people wouldn't have much opinion either way. It would be like telling you that you're trapped on a chunk of rock suspended in space. Well, yeah and?
If you haven't read his books, Stephen Baxter has at least a couple of good explorations of long journey ships.
Anne Leckie’s Translators. Aliens so alien that the only way we can have any shred of common ground is by them taking a few humans and rebuilding them specifically to be their ambassadors, with interesting results.
A tardis from Dr who. It's a living spaceship + time machine.
It also has some insane features like:
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It's bigger on the inside. In fact it has infinite rooms and storage.
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It also has access to all knowledge across time.
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It can instantly translate all languages telepathically. So everything you hear and see will automagically be in your language.
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It can take any form physically. On both the inside and outside. It has a chameleon circuit which makes it blend perfectly into the surroundings.
It's said that it's destiny to be chosen by a tardis. It reads your thoughts and takes you where you want to go or where you are needed.
The Uplift Series is a gem. Copied directly from Wiki because it's succinct yet thorough:
The Five Galaxies are filled with alien races, all of whom were "uplifted" into sentience by another race through the use of directed breeding. As "payment" for being made sentient, the uplifted races are subservient to their uplifters for a period of time. All existing races have reached sentience through this process, and follow a common evolution in which the races become free of their uplifters, enter a period of independent power, and then fade and eventually disappear.
The arrival of a human ship at a populated star upsets the established races as humanity reached sentience on their own. This had been believed to be impossible, nothing of the sort is known in the eons-old galactic library. This leads to great arguments among the alien powers. Humanity begins to uplift other species on Earth, including chimpanzees and dolphins, but does not demand subservience.
sounds interesting !
but does not demand subservience
that's the fictional part right there I guess :)
I can't remember what book it came from, maybe one of Peter F. Hamiltons, but portals was a thing. So naturally the superrich had houses where rooms were not on the same planet. The doors between the rooms looked normal, but was portals to the next room somewhere else.
Especially the toilet tickled me. That was situated on an open raft on a deserted ocean covered planet.
This is indeed Hyperion by Dan Simmons. Hamilton had really cool use of portals in the Salvation series, though. Among other things, they could:
- Make people travel (and indeed have distributed houses as well),
- Source of free energy by placing one end of the portal close to the sun,
- Solution for garbage by placing one end of the portal into outer space,
- Geoengineering, for example, by placing one end of the portal above the Australian desert, and feeding it icebergs from the other end.
My favourite use was a protagonist placing one end of a portal on Earth, and smuggling the other onto a penal colony to rescue a prisoner.
For me the wildest aspect of the Hyperion portals was that there was essentially only one portal. Hyperdimensional godlike artificial super-intelligences swept the portal across each doorway like some sort of cosmic lighthouse, mimicking the theory that there only exists a single electron in the universe that travels backwards and forwards in time to be every electron for everything everywhere all and once. Also, those articlfical intelligences shared their environs with other older beings referred to as "Lions and tigers and bears."
Hyperion, probably.
This is a bit of a general one, but I have a fondness for very large space structures. A number of my favorite scifi stories take the premise of "exploring a (usually abandoned or tech-regressed) alien megastructure".
Dyson spheres and ringworlds and stellar engines and the like are the obvious candidates, but honestly I like smaller (but still huge) ideas like oneill cylinder colonies just as much, because what I like in them is a function of both size and how close to understood physics they follow, and the latter tend to be easier to make plausible.
There's a certain sense of inspiration that comes of someone describing something almost incomprehensibly huge, explaining that it is designed by intelligent entities, and then justifying it with enough real science as to convince you that something at least somewhat like it really could exist, someday, or maybe already does somewhere out in the vastness of the universe.
I think my favorite megastructure is the shell world.
The idea is that you take a geologically "dead" world (no mantle movement / tectonic drift like earth) and start excavating a big underground space, with the aim of adding another 'level' to the world below the surface level (with periodic pillars to hold up the ceiling). The rock from that excavation could then be transported up to the surface to form another level above that (using nanotech assemblers or what have you). Rinse and repeat until you have a bunch of nested shells.
Each 'ceiling' could be covered in a light field that replicates the sky, including sunlight. The spaces would be large enough to have their own weather, so that wouldn't need to be faked. The levels would need to be actively cooled though. So the support pillars would need to have coolant tubes in them and the actual surface would need to be covered in radiators.
Now, imagine a structure like that which has broken down and fallen into disrepair. Some or all of those levels could be dark. A dead ecosystem and ruins of a civilization entombed in an artificial underworld. Or maybe the displays still work in a few places. A few isolated pools of light supporting the last plant life, which herds grazing animals have to migrate between periodically to avoid exhausting their food supply. And ambush predators evolved to wait in the dark until something gets close.
my favorite trope that i dont see enough of in movies is realistic galactic travel and all the tech that would require.. travel to another star system.. usually multi-generational attempts. feels like there is a lot of this in books.
you often see a brief glimpse, or some hand waiving with hibernation techniques. not much feels real.
Chasm City has a pretty realistic take on generation ships.
Oh yes, and the deep dark fear of people on the first ever flotilla that someone back home will build a second FTL capable one that would OVERPASS them before their destination and they would arrive to an already colonised world.
I think because once you break the seal on generation ships, that becomes the story. There’s so much required for humans to actually commit to that plan. It would shape everything, and you’d need to explain how they overcome certain problems.
You’d need to show what was worth the commitment to begin with - what’s the goal / where are they going and why? And you’d need to show how they selected crew for their fertility and genetic composition overall, probably not with a 1:1 female:male ratio. And you’d need to explain how they got people to commit to their children dying in space. And, once that generation was raised, how they kept it from revolting and turning the ship around to Earth so they could see the sky before they die. Would they raise them on lies? And how many generations of humans do they need to go through to reach the destination? How are they going to solve all the gravity, radiation, and thermodynamics problems? Whats going to fuel a ship for hundreds of years? And of course your book starts to have the Foundation problem of having multiple whole sets of characters in one book. I think that’s just challenging for any story, or at least you can see why I say it takes over and shapes the entire story.
There’s just so much to it that it takes over the narrative. So in your comment where you say you’d like to see more of it… do you mean more stories about this? Or you just sort of expect it to be in the background of more stories?
I guess it was kind of in the background for The Expanse, with the Navoo Mormon generational ship. Which in one fell religious stroke answers many of the questions in a believable way, including the male/female ratio and how anyone would be crazy enough to do it.
Speaking of Alastair Reynolds, concept of Pattern Jugglers - benign algae-like pools that oscillate in strange image-like patterns and can physically connect, read, and modify human brains. A person entering the Pattern Juggler could experience someone else's life, temporarily gain skills or knowledge, or... die.
In Ursula LeGuin's Left Hand Of Darkness, I love the idea of society without war. There is still violence and murder, but fighting on someone else's behalf must be viewed as incredibly absurd and unacceptable.
Department Of Truth comics are based around the idea "what if what we believe becomes true?". So cryptids, UFOs, and conspiracies exist because enough people believe in them.
The depth and mechanics of Orogenes in N.K. Jemisin's Fifth Season / Broken Earth. It's not just "I cast frost", it's heat and energy manipulation, with sense, direction, and geometry.
It's so hard to choose just one. Relevan to OP's post is a part of Revelation Space where someone is pushed into a long elevatr shaft on a lighthugger, and she uses the Conjoiner engines to stop her fall relative to the ship, and ends up beating her assailant to death with the floor and ceiling as she adjusted the ship speed back and forth at 10g.
In Adrian Taichovsky's "Alien Clay", there is a planet inhabited by symbionts. Everything is symbiotic with everything else. You'll have a creature, but it's made up of a critter that can digest food, a critter that can see, a critter that can move, a critter that can defend itself, etc.
Neal Asher's "Polity" books depict a future where AI has taken over, and it's a good thing, because humans are such murderous evil dipshits.
"A World Out Of Time" had a guy who was frozen, woke up in the future, was forced into becoming a bussard ramjet pilot, and his attempt to get away from this situation landed him in another, weirder situation. There was a weapon mentioned in this book that would make you wish for death. "If you lie to me, you will take your own life. When I let you."
The Well World, divided up into hexagons, each hex having an entirely different climate, ecology, and technological rules.
"A Deepness in the Sky" by Vernor Vinge had a space faring civilization that didnt use hours, minutes, years, etc. Everything was seconds. Centiseconds, kiloseconds, megaseconds. It made sense for these people who were always in space, always on ships.
Another thing I like is all the various propulsion methods that different authors come up with. Conjoiner engines, is just one example. Niven wrote about a type of hyperspace that moves at exactly one speed, (Or another, faster speed) and looking outside the ship will drive you mad. Alderson drives work instantly, but you have to be in exactly the right spot for it to work. The rest of the time you're stuck with fusion rockets accelerating as fast as the humans on board can stand.
Neal Asher’s “Polity” books depict a future where AI has taken over, and it’s a good thing, because humans are such murderous evil dipshits.
Effing Neal Asher. The Polity books are just "The Culture is too woke, so I made the libertarian version and my bad guys are cardboard cutouts of conservative stereotypes of liberals and anarchists lol."
I fuckin' can't stand that guy.
I noticed that sort of thing appearing in his later novels.
I love Neal Ashers space operas and almost never see anyone else mention them! So nice to see this!