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[–] akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone 100 points 5 days ago (12 children)

There is no stance that Mullvad can take on this in order to make me want to stay with them, since this is not an abstract, philosophical matter. It's simple: Daniel partially owns a pro profit company. I pay Daniel's company some money. Daniel reaps - as he should - parts of the company's revenue as wage (which is my money). Daniel uses that wage to fund whatever the hell he wants - as he should - with my money. I'm either fine with contributing to this or not. Period. I am not fine with it, so I'm flirting with IVPN.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Thought experiment time…

part of the company’s revenue as wage

How far down the chain does that count for you? If there was a VP, Manager, or Individual Contributor that took their (personal) wages and donated to a cause you didn’t like, would you still pull your money?

[–] akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone 23 points 5 days ago (15 children)

Good question! I guess it does matter that he's a cofounder and CEO. I honestly don't know how I would react if we were talking about an employee instead. I'd deliberate and make up my mind there and then. Which sheds light on the fact that the matter isn't as black and white as my comment made it sound.

Possibly off topic:I work within the criminal justice system and I believe cops are pigs, while I know for a fact that there are good people on the force too. I wouldn't give up my current position just because another "lowly" employee is rotten.

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 33 points 5 days ago

It's also the scale of the donation for me. He didn't just make a donation the way you or I probably would - his donation accounted for 72% of the party's entire income for 2025. So the money that Mullvad makes is now tied to the continued existence of the party, albeit indirectly.

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[–] nocteb@feddit.org 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

We have nurtured a culture of radical tolerance.

Some people have nurtured a radical intolerance against funding right extremism.

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[–] speakupattheback@lemmy.world 58 points 5 days ago (3 children)

"aren't we living in a multicultural democracy, why can't the minorities and the racists just get along and be respectful of each others' ideas"

Absolutely pathetic response. I'm less likely to use them now than before I read this

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Most predictable response ever. Some shite about the free market of ideas and some other shite about the need to engage with "ideas you personally dislike".

In other words, we should give fascists a seat at the table and hope we can debate them away. Been there done that, doesn't work.

I don't expect a company to just condemn fascism completely unprompted. But in a situation like this, if you can't even commit to taking action to ensure that a fascist party does not receive any of your funding again, then your mission isn't worth shit.

I'm sure that the people who would be forcibly "remigrated" by this particular political party would not feel very free from authority and surveillance.

even if you do believe in freedom of expression and information, why would you donate to a fascist group which have been using suppression of expression - either it is attacking immigrants, pushing age gate laws, or attacking trans rights - as their path to power?

[–] sp3ctre@feddit.org 63 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I have no problem, if the service gets used for things I don't agree with (I will not know anyway). But I do have a problem when one of the founders I paid (with the money from my subscription) openly supports this kind of party. No hard feelings, but with that knowledge, I prefer to give my money to another VPN.

Got my refund from Mullvad so I'm fine now.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 25 points 4 days ago

Damn the radical woke left with their impossibly high expectation of basic human decency.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 55 points 5 days ago (18 children)

It should be clear by now how the party donation relates to this. Mullvad does not condone it, nor condemn it.

If they don't condemn donating to Nazis then they're Nazi's. Pretty clear. Proton VPN it is.

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[–] sepiroth154@feddit.nl 46 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think they're severely underestimating how valuable the recommendation of techies/word of mouth effect is to their business...

[–] eremophila@lemmy.zip 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Time will tell, the industry is based on paid 'reviews', and manipulation. There is little reason for any of them to pretend to be ethical, the biggest companies definitely aren't. Mullvad are likely to feel this though, since they most likely have a more ethical user base than the competition. Airvpn and ivpn are no doubt gaining new customers.

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[–] marcie@lemmy.ml 27 points 5 days ago

vpn company be normal for 1 second challenge [impossible]

[–] spizzat2@lemmy.zip 29 points 5 days ago

Self-censorship out of fear is an even bigger dampener than direct censorship.

Man, I hate having to think about the effects of my actions before I do something. It's so much better to just do things, and then see if there are consequences.

/s

[–] iByteABit@lemmy.ml 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We have nurtured a culture of radical tolerance. Even when some in our sphere of collaborators have advocated for actors and views that have personally and severely affected the founders and their family members, this has not stood in the way of cooperation.

The leopards that ate other people's faces will definitely not eat my face too

[–] Lenins_Dumbbell@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 days ago

What are the odds that the others are closeted fascists as well? UK the kind

we don't agree with the right wingers but immigration is an issue and only they are addressing it, so I'll keep to myself and not speak much

[–] Dave8008@feddit.uk 38 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I have had a Mullvad account for many years. I now have an iVPN acc. It's a very simple choice for me. If Mullvad's success results in funding far right racists then I don't care to assist that happening

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I have about 50 days left on my Mullvad subscription, so I figured I'd wait it out and see how they handled it. Going by this latest Mullvad response, I think I'll probably have an IVPN account soon too.

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[–] Lemmchen@feddit.org 33 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What a weak statement. Not one mention of how the donation most likely came (in part) from customer funds.

Here's the statement from Mullvad's co-founder himself, which at least has some substance on the why: https://dberntsson.info/2026/07/20/orebropartiet/

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[–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 25 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I've read the blog of the other guy... What a mutilation of marxism...

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[–] eremophila@lemmy.zip 31 points 5 days ago

They really don't get it, it is very disappointing, but they deserve to fail now. 99% of the VPN industry is dodgy, mullvad now included.

[–] Weslee@lemmy.world 33 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

They try to distance themselves from it as much as they can, but at the end of the day he is using money he obtained from Mullvad (us) in ways some people don't like.

The only true way to stop it is for the CEO to leave the company and sell all shares and stakes...

Or to simply stop giving Mullvad money, which is what I've done. There are plenty other privacy focused vpns that don't have this issue.

[–] HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Are they trying to disrtance themselves, though?

Mullvad does not condone it, nor condemn it. It most likely was a bad idea; most things where there are a multitude of conflicting opinions necessarily are. But societies need a great diversity of ideas, initiatives and organizations who can be tested and sifted until the best ones remain.

[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 days ago

But societies need a great diversity of ideas, initiatives and organizations who can be tested and sifted until the best ones remain.

need? At what point does a society NEED to test racism to see if it should remain?

When will these societies decide that they tested it long enough?

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[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 21 points 5 days ago

Wow I didn't hate them before, but thanks to this post I stand corrected

[–] divinesteel@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Not gonna give them a single cent from now on.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Given that Mullvad is the gold standard for ACTUAL privacy, can be paid with cash or crypto, has no user accounts and has been actually tested by law enforcement and they got fuck all.

What is the alternative? Privacy first VPN, not “I wanna watch Japanese Netflix” VPN.

[–] Cease@mander.xyz 14 points 5 days ago

Airvpn - great track record, been around forever

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[–] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 14 points 5 days ago

Pretty tone def whinging about cancel culture.

[–] FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 17 points 5 days ago (16 children)

They seem to be on the inertia as a strategy train. Most users won't have heard about this so they're not in danger of losing them. A few who have won't abandon ship because it's a pain. And the rest they seem to tolerate losing. That's unfortunate, say I who isn't even their customer. I would have thought they do more but maybe another two weeks of ended subscriptions can lead them to reason and get rid of Daniel.

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[–] whatiswrongwithyou@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 days ago (6 children)

I am once again posting a reply to help users of lemmy understand that there is no alternative to mullvad unless you can accept a lower privacy, anonymity and security standard of service.

That doesn’t mean if you leave mullvad you will be harmed, only that you will be losing safety margin.

Your decisions are your own: you may know better than me, you may be willing to suffer for your principles, you may believe your actions in the marketplace will have a tangible effect on the world but if you read this you can hopefully make those decisions yourself with clear eyes and understanding.

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[–] yuki_gassen@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

Gee, I wonder what the far-right thinks about letting leftists speak freely?

The conflation between a chud using mullvad vs using the profits from mullvad to fund a political party... Tf

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