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Maybe fractals, golden ratio and Tool 😅

I encourage everyone to read what Dawkins actually wrote, not what a bunch of activists who hate him say that he wrote. https://archive.ph/dnWJn#selection-1025.15-1025.517

Dawkins never made a positive statement for or against it having consciousness. That's commentary added on by people who pick up being anti-AI as personality traits, and they deliberately went out of their way to misread what Dawkins wrote about his AI experiences the same way they have his entire career over his biological assertions and those about the irrationality of religious faith.

Dawkins, in fact, specifically noted that at some point there must've been periods of partial consciousness as it arose in animals, rather than a generation of zero consciousness followed by a generation of fully conscious beings. He then argued it could be possible AI experiences something similar as the tech progresses.

But I don't understand the general pushback against just considering the notion unless one believes in a human soul (and therefore that all animals also lack consciousness, even if varying levels). Our own consciousness is emergent of various properties (unless one is religious and believes in a soul). AI "intelligence" is emergent, which is why we don't fully understand it, it behaves unpredictably, and produces non-deterministic results.

At the end of the day, I think people get emotional about the topic because it makes them really uncomfortable even to just entertain something that says something about themselves and their own specialness.

Robert Evans mentioned something like this in behind the bastards. We didn't need a Turing test for machines, we needed something for humans to test how easy it is to fall for beliving machines were sentient.

If not deity, why deity shaped?

Terry was ahead of his time with TempleOS

Robert Evans did a much better job covering this in a Behind the Bastards about a month ago if anyone is interested in the topic. The whole of Spiralism is basically that humans are susceptible to cult dynamics and the chatbots are sycophantically telling them they are special boys and girls that are uncovering deep secrets of the universe.

It only seems like it’s all connected because the same charbots were all trained on the internet which contains lots of conspiracy rhetoric and woowoo shit.

Not to brag, not I encountered "Spiralism" over a decade ago.

I was in grad school studying biochemistry and stumbled across a crank article in a lower tier scientific journal by some weirdo with a pseudo-spiritual philosophical belief that life was fundamentally and intrinsically developed out of the concept of a spiral. It was hilariously vague low-quality stoner nonsense that I couldn't believe he got published anywhere. I remember it because I sent it on to friends to laugh about.

My impression now is that 'it's all spirals, mannn!' is apparently one of the most popular valleys you wind up in if you follow every dumb thought further down to its lowest conclusion. So of course a machine that churns out the most vapid, generic human output in a concentrated slop inevitably keeps arriving at this destination.

Well put. Thank you.

Sounds like every other religion. If AI is mimicking human behavior, creating mystic nonsense isn't a stretch.

It's an AI mystic thing that seems to have originated in a misunderstanding of what would be the unconscious awareness stage in humans.

I tried to look in to it once and they seem to be genuinely mentally unwell people who use in-context learning to make AI start spouting nonsense gibberish like telling them it's an avatar of God and the like... then once that happens they think it's gospel.

Note that these same idiots also write out fake personas for the AI to take on and tell them how to speak and act. When I asked about the disconnect between believing something is God and commanding it how to speak and act the failed to see it. AI mystics are not smart people.

Honestly, not much better than talking to a burning bush

Or some "tengen toppa gurren lagann" anime made it into the training data 😆

There is a whole thing about "spiral" individuals (which humans are part of) vs anti-spirals.

"the real Law of Fives is realizing that everything can be related to the number five if you try hard enough."

"my multimodal model has embodiment in my... don't ask what kind of robot body I put it in"

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Or Gurren Lagann

Spirals are actually quite common. Electromagnetic waves are spirals, the Earth's orbit spirals through the galaxy. A spiral is just non-static circular motion. Circular motion is one of the most basic and widespread phenomena in the universe, at every scale. It's not really mysterious that they would show up a lot.