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Louis Rossman/FUTO's YouTube app, GrayJay, now supports Sponsorblock... and shames you if you use it (lemmy.ca)
submitted 11 months ago by bionicjoey@lemmy.ca to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Seriously this was very surprising. I've been experimenting with GrayJay since it was announced and I largely think it's a pretty sweet app. I know there are concerns over how it isn't "true open source" but it's a hell of a lot more open than ReVanced. Plus, I like the general design and philosophy of the app.

I updated the YouTube backend recently and to my surprise and delight they had added support for SponsorBlock. However, when I went to enable it, it warned me "turning this on harms creators" and made me click a box before I could continue.

Bruh, you're literally an ad-blocking YouTube frontend. What kind of mental gymnastics does it take to be facilitating ad-blocking and then at the same time shame the end-user for using an extension which simply automates seeking ahead in videos. Are you seriously gonna tell me that even without Sponsorblock, if I skip ahead past the sponsored ad read in a video, that I'm "harming the creator"?

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[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Outside of his right to repair work I find most anything Rossmann gets involved in is questionable. He is a good example of someone that got popular for something they cared about and knew something about, then mistakenly got the idea that success meant they had valid opinions on other things they know nothing about.

Rossmann knows about laptop hardware repair and running a small business. But that doesn’t necessarily translate into being a knowledgeable voice in the software dev or large scale digital advertising industries.

He is just a mouthpiece for the company behind Greyjay, nothing more.

[–] WarmApplePieShrek@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 11 months ago

So he's basically Elon Musk.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

Seems to me an overreaction to complain about a single checkbox suggesting that people who make YouTube videos make actual money from sponsorships where ads get them jack shit. They added Sponsorblock but just have a one-time warning, is that really big of a deal? It's informational, and if you don't like it, ignore it and move on with your day.

If they were more insistent like a popup every time you used it I could see getting upset about it.

[–] crunchpaste@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I believe this is because sponsor segments are like traditional TV ads. They don't use trackers, they are not targeted and they respect your privacy.

[–] Kir@feddit.it 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They don't respect my attention and time, thought

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Skip it all you want but don't act like it's such a terrible inconvenience. Creating high quality content is a full time job and people gotta eat

[–] Dirk_Darkly@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Shit, I didn't realize the only way some people can eat is by making Youtube videos.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Shit, I didn't realize there were 48 hours in a day.

Sorry, you're right. Creators should work their 9-5 and then spend another 8 hours a day making videos for us out of the goodness of their hearts. I now think it's disgusting that these people try to monetize their hard work

I think it's ironic that the argument is both "sponsor segments don't respect my time!" AND "I have no respect for the time of the creators"

[–] Dirk_Darkly@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

Nobody needs YouTube videos nor is anyone compelled to make them. I'm guessing you don't remember when YouTube was completely free and people just made videos for fun?

Now people quit jobs that support them to do something fun and try to make monry off that. Which is fine, but we're not required to support their hobby. Stop acting like people have no other option in their life except to make reaction videos, video essays, meme compilations, etc.

[–] Kir@feddit.it 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Everytime the same argument. I don't want to see ads never ever, period. They are useless and annoying at best, sometimes plain evil manipulation.

I recognize the need of income for creators, and they can ask for money in the form of donation/subscription and other methods. I am paying and will pay for everything I want to support. If you decide that your way to sustain yourself is by shoving up fake opinions and useless noise in order to manipulate me into buying something, I don't accept it. It's as simple as that.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If the creators you like choose to monetize with sponsors, you can choose not to watch them instead of complaining about it on a forum. Or go create the content you like yourself.

I don't like ads either and have stopped watching several channels because of how they use them.

"Every time the same argument" is right - "my time is valuable but the creator's time is not!"

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean, the person making the video you are watching respected your time to the point they put in 10-100x the amount of time it takes you to watch that video to make it.

And the sponsor ad is how they afford said time commitment.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

they put in 10-100x the amount of time it takes you to watch that video to make it.

And show it to millions of people... So per capita... I put in more time then they did.

[–] kernelle@0d.gs -1 points 11 months ago

Hence why it might be hurtful to small creators. I'd love to see the numbers on that though, as the overall percentage of people using an adblocker is very low, I assume for Sponsorblock it's significantly less.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

No not even close. You did not put in more time.

[–] xep@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They don’t use trackers, they are not targeted and they respect your privacy.

In that case it won't matter to anyone that I skipped them.

[–] crunchpaste@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

As I've mentioned in another thread, I believe YouTube provides analytics on this (hence the "most replayed" parts for some videos), and I'm certain I've seen some creators mention sposors requiring that information before a deal is made. So it may really hurt some small youtubers that can't rely on merchandise sales.

That said, I personally use sponsorblock as I don't feel like wasting my life on nordvpn ads, but I have to admit sponsor segments are a whole lot better than regular YouTube ads.

Edit: And as I far as I know they pay much better than regular ads.

[–] infectoid@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I manually skip all sponsored segments except for the Internet Historian ones.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You thief!! /s

[–] infectoid@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Pretty much. I watch all the NordVPN Man ads and don’t even sign up for a 12 month discount and the first month free. I’m basically a criminal.

Also Mullvad FTW.

[–] neeeeDanke@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I was kind of dissapointed when I read the new pipe team was having an issue with sponsor block, but tbh their reasoning makes a lot of sense:

https://newpipe.net/blog/pinned/newpipe-and-online-advertising/

And even thought I am using the sponsor block fork now I only skip the non-music part in music videos, because I do agree that creators have to make money somehow. And while I don't love ads most of the time (sometimes they are really well made) my main issue with ads on Youtube/the wider Internet is how intrusive they are and them not respecting my privacy.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you really want to support someone on YouTube something like patreon is the way to go. Sponsored videos are life draining and a lot of extra work for paultry pay. But a legion of patreon subscribers can set someone up for a comfortable income from actually making things you want to see.

[–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

Depends on a sponsor. Some sponsors can pay crap loads of money to a big creator.