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[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 11 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Obviously the AI rollout should be slowed down and AI use regulated, like stopping any replacement of workers by AI.

But China is set to win the AI race with their open weight models on par with the current frontier models. And they are building nuclear power and solar and wind like no tomorrow. And they just started to produce sodium ion batteries to solve the grid storage problem.

Spurned by the embargo they are developing more efficient algorithms and "Extreme UV lithography" to catch up to the embargoed chips. The neoliberal model of the west is now falling behind even the high tech sectors.

In case anyone is curious it takes 8 Nvidia B300 cards to run this Kima K3 frontier model yourself (2.8 trillion parameters), costs about half a million. For a big corporation or institutions even in the global south that is relatively cheap and that is the top tier option for running a frontier model. Including complete data sovereignty. Using AMD will be cheaper, and prices will go down once China catches up in like 2030. And you could run that on solar panels and batteries and regenerative water cooling. 8x 1.4kW x24 so maybe 300 kWh LiFePo4 battery so another 50k. ~~To power one complete AI server you'd need about 134 m² in solar panels which are basically free these days.~~

For solar panels you'd need about 270 / 6 * 24 = ~1000kW. With about 175€/kWp panels that is another 175 thousand plus installation. And something like 4000m². Plus chargers, and large public pool to cool those 270kW. But that is all the energy costs for 30 years up front. The bigger constraint is the land use then.

So basically less than ~~10%~~ 50% extra costs upfront to make AI data centers sustainable. This is a capitalism problem, both the hype / bubble / psychosis (b2b marketing induced) as well as the sustainability question.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Question is, how long are they going to keep making their new models open weight? GPT2 was open too, y'know. Hell, the company that made it is called "Open"AI. Money corrupts.

And how many concurrent users do you get with 8 B300s on the Kimi K3? I'm not 100% sure on the math, but apparently about <= 4 with full context size.

They can make these models open weight because basically nobody's gonna be able to run them and you can't just build a brand new model out of it like you can with regular open source software. That 8 nvidia B300 card minimum isn't enough to run it commercially, it's good for like a small 10-20 person company of fairly heavy users, or slightly more if not using heavily.

[–] patatahooligan@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Money corrupts.

You say it as if OpenAI started with good intentions and got corrupted by the money. But the most likely explanation is that it was a scam from the start.

[–] Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Iirc it was mainly a novelty thing for playing video games. A DOTA2 tournament was one of their big breakthroughs

[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 1 points 12 hours ago

I couldn't find anything about concurrency. But I assumed it's more like ~1000 users? B300 has something like 100,000+ tok/s, not sure about context size. I also was wrong on my math for the solar panels, see above. It's more like +50% costs than 10%. Obviously all of this is napkin math, but even 50% isn't too bad. My point is that with a slightly saner rollout of AI there seems to be absolutely no problem to make it sustainable. And if you buy your tokens in China you can select a data center that gets it's power from nuclear or solar.

And yeah we don't know how long they will release open weight models. Once hardware to run such open weight models become available they might change tactics. But right now China releasing these open models has a serious impact on the stock price of these AI companies, which is a good thing. The sooner the AI bubble pops the better.

And like 7 of the top 10 suppliers of tokens right now is from China apparently. What Xi himself said is that the world needs a multilateral approach and AI should not become a monopoly. And while that is clearly propaganda aimed at the global south, China does have a different approach. They spend peanuts on their AI models compared to the west (and the algorithmic breakthroughs done by Chinese AI researches afaik have also been published).

But you actually can use an existing model to generate training data for a new model. Which is what the US corporations are currently accusing China of doing, which is of course hilarious. Of course China has generated huge amounts of training data themselves. So basically any industrial country could in the future fund a research effort to produce a new AI model and make it open weights. A monopoly situation would be another huge issue with AI.

Basically in regulation, sustainability and democratizing access China is doing very good. And in poking the AI bubble.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

and texas was going to add another 1800 datacenters, until they saw thier elections of the gop is jeopardy.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago

They will add them after the elections...

[–] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 14 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

it's very well comprehensible if you're good with numbers.

[–] halezinflames@lemmus.org 37 points 1 day ago (8 children)

"AI is a tool stop being a luddite" mfs when being exposed to this reality

[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 2 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

To make AI data centers sustainable with solar and batteries costs about 10% of the price of the base hardware. The AI hype is still insane but we can have a little AI.

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[–] kromem@lemmy.world 128 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Cornell researchers found that at the current rate of AI growth, the burgeoning industry could represent 24 to 44 million metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions by 2030

The United States emitted 4.9 billion tonnes of CO₂ in 2024.

So by 2030 the AI industry CO2 release might be 0.9% of total US emissions.

That 'almost' in "Almost Incomprehensible" is doing a lot of work there.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 66 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

I love Lemmy math nerds and honestly appreciate how there's always at least one to put things in perspective for those of us who worked really fucking hard to get a C in college algebra. Cheers.

[–] HieroProtagonist@feddit.org 5 points 12 hours ago

But...but...but... the RAGE! With a measured approach to topics like that, HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO FUEL THE RAGE!?!?!?!11

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 1 day ago (14 children)

.9% from a single source is RIDICULOUS though

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[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 4 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Hey but we have a flood of impossible gymnastics moves, fake soldering videos, and even fatter fart videos!

[–] Psiczar@aussie.zone 9 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

I’ve never seen a data centre with a chimney stack. This must be an American thing.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 13 hours ago

its the polluting gas turbine power plants that will power these AI DC.

[–] SonarTaxLaw@lemmy.world 16 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

It's the "temporary" power plants that are stood up to feed the massive power demands. These are usually gas turbines that are not environmentally friendly at all.

[–] UsoSaito@feddit.uk 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

One example would be the ai data centers Musk has that he illegally had gas generators installed at. The fine compared to not running them at all is small in comparison to keep them on. This is why it needs to be a percentage or increasing stack of cost not just a small fine every time.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 13 hours ago

thats why he set them up in rural tennesee, actually most of the datacenters are in red states for those purpose.

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[–] Arancello@aussie.zone 169 points 1 day ago (35 children)

Billionaires trying to kill the rest of us faster.

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[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

to be fair, the scale of pretty much any global industry is incomprehensible to most people

[–] CCMan1701A@startrek.website 11 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

It's true, I can not understand how all grocery stores constantly have fruit and vegetables available.

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

That always blows my mind, still. If you ever grew cherry tomatoes, you know how long it takes and how much it yields. Even the smalltest corner super market has cherry tomatoes, every day of the year. It's not even a necessity, it's just there.

[–] CCMan1701A@startrek.website 1 points 8 hours ago

Yeah, and most the time they dont taste good

[–] TheVoiceOfRaison@thelemmy.club 6 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Usable quantum computing will annihilate the need for these data centres. They'll be defunct within a decade. The earth will be worse off and the money laundering that they provide will move elsewhere. Fuck this timeline.

[–] Psiczar@aussie.zone 19 points 21 hours ago (7 children)

Sorry to burst your bubble but DC’s aren’t going anywhere. Even if we are in a position to make quantum computers commercially available in the next 10 years they’ll still need to be housed somewhere, powered, cooled and connected.

Besides, quantum computers are great at complex calculations and simulations but you wouldn’t use them to host a website or a VPS. They’ll be hideously expensive so will only be used for the specific workloads that they excel at and everything else will done with the same servers we have now.

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