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[–] r1veRRR@feddit.org 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Well, sure, but when everyone loses their fucking minds about the tiniest thing, that even requires us to buy all the lies from billionaires about how much the build out will be, while having never done anything about the biggest thing they could personally change, it starts sounding mightily hypocritical.

It seems like the personal responsibility to boycott polluting and unnecessary industries is limited to whatever doesn't require any personal effort from the person speaking.

Napkin math:

  • 40% of americans are very or extremely concerned about AIs environmental impact
  • To save 34 million tonnes of CO2e, you need about 5.2 million vegans from now until 2030
  • So only 5% of ONLY the complainers would need to go vegan to make up for this "tremendous" impact
  • That's 2% of all americans

That's the thing we're even attacking random strangers online for. The thing that we pretend is going to bring about the end times. But sure, veganism is the extreme position.....

By the way, what other resources are we saving?

  • Water — about 8.8 trillion gallons (~33 billion m³)
  • Land — around 1–1.5 million acres of forest/land
  • Animals — roughly 8 billion animals including fish and shellfish
[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

More than one thing can be bad.

Why don't we do both? Less AI, Less Meat

Also, I'm not American, don't insult me by assuming I'm one

[–] iopq@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Or, just eat less meat and you can still have AI

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago

Sounds like a bad solution to me

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

or have double meat and no ai.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Bad for heart health, unless it's chicken which already has much lower emissions in the first place

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

AI is bad for your brain and society, so there's that.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

AI is great for society. Just because it's still in its early years doesn't mean we won't have better uses for it later.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sure, just handwave the damage and fast forward a century.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's the only way we can get out of having to do boring, repetitive jobs literately forever until the end of time.

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yeah such as (checks notes) Art, Music, Writing and joy, so we can (checks notes) be the condom between Claude and Production, be a babysitter for a stupid AI, and have our livelihoods destroyed.

I love that

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not everyone likes AI art or music. I have no qualms about AI email spam. I am cheering for the "corporate email marketing" team to be eliminated as a position

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well yeah, that's cause you're a shill with no sense of taste and bad opinions

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

Ah, you're just a dipshit, fair

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So less food variety and I get trash for the trade, are you the White run merchant buying any random crap the Dragonborn drags in by any chance?

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Listen, I didn't say you can't ever eat meat. Just eat a single patty hamburger instead of a double. It's not less food variety, it's called not gorging yourself on things that are bad for your heart health.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Dude I barely eat half the time, regardless it's a piss poor trade given how AI is quite literally worthless to me. It could disappear tomorrow and I wouldn't notice if no one talked about it at least for the shit that these data centers are for. For all the resources dumped into this dumbfuck AI race we could've done damned near anything else and have gotten more value for it with a fraction of the economic and environmental cost, even a bridge to nowhere has better utility.

So how's bout we go down the have no AI and do literally anything else bargain.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's useless to you, but not to other people. Libraries are useless to me because I pirate books, but I'm not going to say it's a waste

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Where do you think the pirated books come from?

Usually library copies

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Usually the new releases are from people who personally bought them, not people who wait for them to be put in a library.

Last few physical books I read I just bought because they were rare

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oh I forgotten y'all are Americans, where your libraries have to wait for books instead of getting a copy pretty much immediately

[–] freeman@feddit.org 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Much more realistic: 6% of amicans that eat mostly vegan

[–] FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

12% of Americans that often choose a vegan meal multiple times per week, seems realistic too.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

A quarter of Americans eating more chicken because it's better for the environment is even more realistic. Chicken is tasty!