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Highlights

  • Abusing declassification to prove Trump's conspiracies. Like clipping sentences from a report saying there is no Chinese election interference in order to support Trump.
  • Using the CIA to tell Americans their votes were stolen
  • He used the CIA on Ecuadorian fishing boats near the Galapagos islands.
  • Authors argue that he is not actually an "adult in the room", and is politicizing the CIA
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[–] JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

So... The same as the entire administration?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 33 points 2 days ago (2 children)

On one hand, the CIA is becoming even more evil. On the other hand, it's also becoming more incompetent. This is giving me mixed feelings.

[–] FluorideMind@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure the incompetence is just letting more evil slip through to observers.

[–] florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

They also just don't care what happens to it. Trump trusts Russian intelligence more than any other agency he commands.

[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

He's not failing the president, that is whom he is serving not us.

I bet they are neck deep in Euro politics, helping their little fasci waving fake populists win power.

[–] LocalAreaMan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sure, but.... as opposed to "real populists"? Where?

Germans are electing Nazis because the alternative pinned their parties to an unpopular war that's destroyed their economy and climate goals.

Nazis are winning because liberals were arming other Nazis. Big winner, Nazis everywhere. Congratulations.

[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 6 points 2 days ago

You are talking to one real populist. Sawn Fein, UAW boss is another.

As to real populists in politics, there aren't many, because they kill them in the cradle in the west, just as they are trying to do with Fein because he spoke against Israel's genocide.

In the US, we don't have a single white populist in government that I'm aware of. Just a smattering of minority ones, that are only marginally sabotaged because they can't win, and because their districts are overwhelmingly progressive. Often because gerrymandering packs a few districts with dems so they can crack other districts.

But it follows across the west. All real populism has been quashed, and all left parties seized by the oligarchy and turned into controlled opposition or call them what you will. The few actual left parties, like france unbowed, idk what their deal is. Surely sabotaged, but how much do they suck not being able to compete? Idk the story there.

[–] LocalAreaMan@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Isn't the CIA failing a good thing?

Trump is doing what they killed JFK to prevent, "smashing the CIA into a thousand pieces". 😂

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They’ll just go freelance

[–] LocalAreaMan@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago

Like with JFK, RFK, and MLK.

We're living in the dark timeline.

[–] florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Kennedy_assassination_conspiracy_theory

And no, the CIA failing is not a good thing. Grok making targeting decisions with satellite photos and twitter consensus would be worse for a start.

The next democrat president is going to be left at most with just satellite photos and the depleted goodwill of allies that haven't demolished their intelligence agencies.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Their are two parts of the CIA. There are annalists who study and prepare briefings for leadership. Then their are the spooks who do all of the stuff the CIA is famous for.

The second part of the CIA should be abolished. Even someone who's supportive of the mission could conclude that the US would be better off without the clandestine CIA than with it. The history of failure would be funny if it didn't get so many innocent people killed and worse.

[–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago

the US would be better off without the clandestine CIA than with it

You quite simply do not have the info needed to come to this conclusion. You don't actually know what that arm of the CIA actually does, only the fictional portrayals of it in TV and movies.

[–] florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago

The second part will never be abolished. Presidents need a way to advance national objectives while having deniability within and without.

Congress is of course failing to fucking check them on this. At best the Democrats can only send public letters expressing "severe concerns" about what they know.