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    [–] zitrone@europe.pub 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

    ok then how do i access [2b00:13c0:47:1422::5]:7236 through a file?

    i don't think that's possible

    only on plan9

    echo hello >  /dev/tcp/2b00:13c0:47:1422::5/7236
    
    [–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 19 points 23 hours ago (1 children)
    [–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 12 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

    Can confirm; user is file too

    [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 9 points 19 hours ago

    Source: user

    [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

    Ok you got me with this one.

    Btw the mitochondria are the powerhouse of the cell.

    [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 53 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    It makes more sense when you realize that it's not that everything is files it's that everything can be treated as a file. There are other APIs to interact with things, but everything can be interacted with as if it was a file. It doesn't seem as bonkers like this.

    [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

    Everything is computer.

    [–] absentbird@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

    Exactly. A file is really just a way to understand a collection of bits. So saying everything is files is like saying everything in computers can be described as sets of bits, which is not a terrible heuristic.

    [–] BobWehadababyitsaboy@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    It's like saying everything is a wave IRL.

    Especially the particles

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Files don't actually exist once you dig down

    [–] socsa@piefed.social 14 points 22 hours ago

    Bro stop digging I need those files to keep existing

    [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 8 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

    Yeah, it sort of depends on the definition of the word file. "File" in the sense that it can be interacted with like a file versus "file" in the sense that it's data on a disk. But then, if you're really thinking about it, data on a disk isn't a file, it's data, and we can just interact with it like a file.

    [–] BartyDeCanter@piefed.social 1 points 2 hours ago

    Welcome, brother. But remember that they must walk the path themselves or they will never reach true understanding.

    [–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago
    [–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

    In Windows land, it's HANDLEs...which is typedef void* HANDLE IIRC

    [–] h4x0r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 hours ago

    Generally speaking, a handle is an opaque reference to an os object; the typedef here makes that clear. Linux uses the same general concept as well, though file objects are typically referenced through file descriptors rather than windows style handles.

    [–] BartyDeCanter@piefed.social 126 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (19 children)

    Stages of POSIX enlightenment:

    1. It couldn't possibly all be files
    2. It's all files
    3. What is a file, anyway?
    4. There's no such thing as a file
    5. It couldn't possibly all be files
    6. Everything is a file

    Most people stop at stage 2, stage 3 hits when you decide to write a filesystem, stage 4 when you've finished your first filesystem. Stage 5 is when you start working on kernel internals. No one can tell you how to reach stage 6, you must discover it for yourself.

    [–] socsa@piefed.social 5 points 22 hours ago
    1. Everything is a FIFO
    [–] chrash0@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    true enlightenment: everything is a string over an IO socket

    [–] mkwt@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

    But are sockets not files?

    [–] chrash0@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

    files are named sockets πŸ•‰οΈ

    [–] Sinthesis@lemmy.today 55 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

    /dev/null sez nothing is also a file

    [–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    Asking for a friend.

    If you can recognize "nothing" then "nothing" must be something right? So if nothing is a file, because /dev/null says so, then nothing MUST be something to be a file. And therefore /dev/null can't be nothing.

    Or do I just need more tea? Or maybe whisk(e)y?

    [–] HeHoXa@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    The word "nothing" isn't itself nothing. It is something used to describe nothing.

    [–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    The word "nothing" is the English word describing the concept of nothing. And I have to use the word to describe the concept. So yes, you are correct the word is itself "something". So that is probably one point for "nothing" to not exist.

    I have now consumed 3 cups of tea. And my head now hurts from thinking about nothing. I should never have stepped into this post.

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    [–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Unfortunately, no one can be told what a file is. You have to see it for yourself.

    This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the file system goes.

    [–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)
    [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

    I feel like it's more of a "If I tried to tell you what this was, you wouldn't believe me" than a "I am physically incapable of explaining the idea that you're plugged into a computer".

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    [–] Agent641@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)
    [–] BartyDeCanter@piefed.social 1 points 3 hours ago

    In the end, we are all files. We have our read()s and write()s, in in our time we play many offsets.

    [–] thorcik@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

    Hope your name isn't Peter

    [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

    Can you read me?

    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

    "How can files be real if the filesystem isn't real?" - Jaden Smith (probably)

    [–] swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 day ago

    You'll know you've reached stage 6 when you seriously start considering running Plan 9 as a daily driver

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    [–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    Yep, takes a moment to wrap your head around but the longer you read linux/unix documentation, the more it makes sense why it is the case.

    [–] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    tldr: it's to have nicer, less complicated I/O operations

    it enables just having two API calls: read() and write() to do everything

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