2 Democrats defect
all Democrats are worthless
No. 2 Democrats are worthless. Vote for better ones, outnumber them. Don't throw this "both sides are the same" "don't bother" rhetoric around. It doesn't solve jack shit.
this post was submitted on 16 Sep 2026
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The problem is these kinds of defections have exactly zero consequences. And it’s a roulette wheel of defectors making sure that there’s just enough votes to pass trump’s agenda.
Which makes it look rather… orchestrated.
The current party leadership is fucking useless. They sit around, do nothing, let themselves get steamrolled and then wonder why no one wants to vote for them.
It's called rotating villans. Only a few Dems (in this case 2) have to go to the other side and take the hit for all the other Dems, and like you said it goes unpunished.
It's unsurprising, really, when Schumer did the same thing himself. especially after telling others not to. that was in the senate, but it's all part of a whole.
Pretty much. Remember the shutdown that folded like a cheap Democrat?
https://www.ms.now/news/democrats-backroom-negotiations-shutdown-rcna243352
“Senator Schumer knew we were meeting with Senator Thune,” Shaheen said. She started filling him in “as soon as we started meeting with Republicans” — the day after the government shut down.
Asked if Schumer was supportive of the bipartisan talks, Shaheen deflected. “I think you’d have to ask him that,” she said.
But asked if Schumer ever tried to dissuade her from these negotiations, Shaheen simply said, “No.”
It is orchestrated
You're being very naive. 2 Dems defected because Republicans needed 2 votes. If they needed 21 votes 21 Dems would defect:
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5721189-democrats-republicans-end-shutdown/
Weird how they can always find just the right number of Dems willing to vote with Republicans, don't you think? It's almost as if both parties are working together...
Isn't it weird there's always a few turncoats when they're needed?
For enough money or blackmail any politician can be bought, and you would be surprised how small the amount of money turns out to be
it's 5 figures or less. we could crowdfund one. just need to file the paperwork as a superpac properly
Yawn, wake me when the Democratic leadership actually doles out consequences for these assholes.
Oh look at fucking Marie Gluesenkamp Perez bending over backwards to appeal to the right wing vote which will never vote for her. God, I can’t stand this politician.
Literally just reading the headline, I thought to myself “I bet that lady with the long G middle name is one of them…” And yep, here she is.
Rotating villains
The vote the two Democrats defected on is known as a rule vote. Typically, members of the minority party stick together to oppose these kind of procedural votes, which the majority party needs to bring bills to the floor.
Democrats are particularly irate given that one of the bills that can now be brought to the floor is a Russian sanctions bill that President Donald Trump himself has championed.
While some Democrats support the Russia sanctions bill, they said they were not willing to back a GOP rule — and cross party leadership — to get that result.
“I’m proud to represent one of the largest Ukrainian communities in America — people who have lost fathers, mothers, sons and daughters in the fight to defeat fascism,” Gluesenkamp Perez said on X, adding, “My vote today gets us one step closer to enacting these sanctions into law and I look forward to voting tomorrow to cut off the flow of Russian oil money fueling this war.”
Unless fatally flawed -- highly likely for anything Trump supports -- then don't we want sanctions here? I get wanting to deny a W for the opposition, but having one or two be the bad guy so everyone else can look unified while plenty probably support the thing sounds like politics. Stupid politics, but this is the age in which we live.
I agree.
but also its not normal that Trump go to great length in order to sanction Russia. That is so not Trump.
The White House has made it such a high priority that some in the administration privately reached out to at least one House Democratic centrist, attempting to convince that member to support the GOP
The issue with this bill is the unconstrained tariff power it hands to the president.
It's a classic ploy: wrap something bad in something that makes your opposition look bad to vote against.
Outside all that is Trump and this situation, so just purely politics, I think the statement: I get not wanting a win for the opposition. Is what is wrong with today’s politics. The job of a politician is not scoring more wins compared to the opposition. There is no winning. They’re supposed to serve Americans and its citizens.
Fuck Jared Golden. I'm so glad this asshole's not running in my state again. He has been the biggest disappointment ever; a DINO coward.
Democrats forever snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Ranked choice voting would allow more political parties to have higher clout and name recognition. Then federal legislature would be less easily deadlocked.
Ethics don't pay.
The paid opposition is being the paid opposition? I'm shocked.
Since nobody else is plastering their names: Reps. Jared Golden (Maine) and Rep. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (Washington)
Couple more Hydra for the list.
Manchurian MAGAs
If any Dems were to be (hypothetically) assassinated right now, I'll bet the current DOJ wouldn't lift a finger to investigate. The assassin would have at least a good two-year head start before any real investigations took place.
Block any agenda. Ffs. It isn’t that hard. Unless, you are owned by lobbyists and PACs
"Centrist" dems do this every time.
Representative government is inherently corrupt.
I had a radical idea to make government service like jury service. A core group of admin workers are full time, but people who implement policy decisions are pulled from the public based on expertise. You serve part time for six months and then go back to full time work.
This would still be open to the same kind of corruption. The drafted leaders could be bribed to vote a certain way. Direct democracy would be the most resistant form of government to eventual oligarchy. Another possibility could be that the citizens of a democratic society could be limited as to how much wealth they could own.
Direct democracy, the power of immediate recall and punishing corruption - like, stripping them of their wealth and jail time, while only being entitled to publicly-appointed defenders. Publicly-funded elections and ranked choice voting would go a long way, too. They’d also have to sacrifice or at least fully disclose any financial outside interests they have before and after getting elected.
I would actually be in favor of paying elected public servants more, if they’re forbidden from having conflicting outside financial interests.