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'ATechnicalSquid' is right tho regarding Mods. Many people here don't wanna accept it, but Lemmy can be as much of an echo chamber with the same powertripping mods as on Reddit.
Its a people problem and not a platform problem. Whenever there are people invovled this things happens
Sure, but the "federated fiefdoms" design allow one to move servers and find one with less powertripping mods.
That's true, but at least I feel like I'm talking to actual human beings.
had that problem over in the comics community where a mod arbitrarily decided to make the community "child friendly". no comics or comments about things that kids can't see/hear.
eventually the mod got tired of all the shit they were getting and left.
my point is, if this were Reddit, the mod would remain in charge and all the people of the community speaking out would have been permabanned globally.
Agree.
That's completely fine, we don't want that person. You're being reasonable.
Sure, and I can identify an asshole, but still. I keep running into this problem where there's someone doing a knee-jerk vehement reaction to the very mention of Lemmy or other alt-social media. This disrupts a friendly response to someone who says they don't like reddit. I like to defend when I hear misinformation being spread but the problem is the second you defend, you place yourself on the defensive, and suddenly put the burden of proof on yourself in the discussion.
It's honestly a balancing act and I would love to read someone's study on this stuff if it wasn't so frustrating in the moment
almost like bots being triggered by key words like Lemmy?
Never considered it. I suppose bots really could be at that level of complexity, huh?
LLMs have fully mastered the art of the Turing Test in spades. The layman's experience with them is just whatever they see on the news or ChatGPT, with easy advice like "jUsT lOok At ThE EmOjiS aNd eMDasHeS". But, rule files are incredibly easy to make (they are literally just Markdown files), and can tweak the default behavior of a model, including getting rid of behaviors that make it look like a bot.
Or just give an LLM a large sample size of data, and say "create a rules file to emulate the chat behaviors contained in this file". We're talking a 5 minute operation, once you have enough data. And the amount of data can be as little as 25 posts.
For one, we're way past the necessary level of complexity for bots to do that, many months now. If any even slightly large corporation wants to, they can easily and cheaply spin up chatbots to do that.
On the other hand, I wouldn't instantly chalk it up to bots, simply because there's many many people, who comment backwards reactionary shit they don't understand, just to feel better themselves. And few things are more satisfying to such people, than dunking on the new-and-alternative thing.
It's a very pleasant thing, to feel content that you've made the right choices, and don't need to change anything.
I tend to have better exchanges with people when I ask if they have heard of it first. Then I try to phrase my point of view as my experience and/or my opinion. This has helped me. Might not work for you though. Every personality is unique.
Kind of solidifying the point that the Reddit user was making, no?
Tbh I think you might be over-defending/hyping things. Usually a single short comment about why you like something is going to win more people over than trying to suggest why others would like it.
Emotional personal experiences can't be argued with, whereas statements about the worth of something in general can be.
That person is also probably not going to change their mind though, so don't over think it 😄
also, possibly a username problem ...
Lmao, I didn't even take that in until you said something. I guess username checked out at least 😂
Lmfao
Thanks for fighting the good fight! A couple of thoughts from a former greasy salesman:
A) Are you meeting what OP needs or wants? OP says they're trying to quit reddit because they're wasting their life there. If they're trying to quit social media, not sure recommending a different style of social media is going to help.
B) Probably best to come in ready for typical responses e.g., "there's no content!" "Too many crazies" (say what you will, until you learn to avoid .ml etc, the fediverse can really suck for the vast majority of "normal" folks.)
C) Maybe have good examples of communities, instances or whatever that you want to recommend. Being able to point to concrete examples etc always helps!
Good luck!
A) Are you meeting what OP needs or wants? OP says they’re trying to quit reddit because they’re wasting their life there. If they’re trying to quit social media, not sure recommending a different style of social media is going to help.
Excellent point. One selling point tho, is that because Lemmy/Piefed is smaller, you often "reach the end" of your subscribed communities after a short period of time, which makes social media manageable.
But yeah, it'd be healthier to say "maybe you need to take some time off, and if you want to come back, try Piefed/Lemmy".
I have been here 3 years and I'm actually quite happy with the fact that it's not a content fire hose.
It's much healthier for me. 10 minutes a day, quick check, and I'm out.
I love promoting the cool rocks comm. It's just so wholesome and welcoming.
Ha, that does seem wildly wholesome! I'll keep my eyes open for cool rocks to share!
IMO the strongest argument here is simply that Lemmy has mod logs while Reddit moderation is opaque and more automated, because those are verifiable facts. Any comparison of the quality of moderation itself is necessarily going to be subjective and anecdotal, in part because Reddit and its mods actively prevent objective evaluation to sweep their crap under the rug.
The way you said it was perfect imo
Less bots, less reposts. Sure, some people suck, but at least they’re people. Or much better bots. I guess there’s no way to know for sure.
I've seen some crap over here on Lemmy.
I think it's better than reddit.
:shrug:
Not wrong, I've noticed several very sweaty, vindictive Lemmy mods.
I mean sure, but you also have u/pugjesus
Just say you like Lemmy because it’s like earlier Reddit, smaller communities, more organic, and doesn’t have any corporate control / censorship
Very smart way to phrase that, short and sweet
I came here from Reddit. Helped to mod a community on there, one of a team of about a dozen and it took about an hour a day, just a constant onslaught of offenders. Also was invited to help with another but I was not hardcore enough in a politically correct way, not heavy handed enough for them, they wanted a very safe space. Reddit is huge so there is some of everything but overall moderation is more heavy handed & micromanagey.
I mod a slow but active community here. 3 years I think, and less than one report per year. People are mostly so nice or at least funny enough when they aren't, almost no reports, almost no moderation needed. Not one off topic post, even. It's a dream.
Yeah I mod !dull_mens_club@lemmy.world and it's pretty chill. Once in awhile I'll get two people bickering in the comments or something doesn't really fit the community, but months go by without any issues.
"What you're saying doesn't match the community over there at all. I don't you've ever even used it and are just trying to sound important. There's a lot less of people like you over there too."
followed by "how much is Reddit paying you to bash better communities to stop people from leaving to go to them?"
You can lead a horse to water…
I just stopped going on reddit at all, much happier now
Note that the person you were talking to isn't the person arguing. For all you know, Life_Ad3567 may already be here.
But also, you should see the absolute communist terrorist Nazi mods over on ich_iel when you spell it Ich_iel in your post title.
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j/k i wuv u 😘