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[–] Archelon@lemmy.world 52 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don’t know about 9/11, but I feel like the US has been creeping towards another Oklahoma City for some time now.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

prolly more than one. Lots of nutters out there.

[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 42 points 9 months ago

I think it definitely will, but it will probably be carried out by domestic terrorist Nazis er uh, I mean "white nationalists"

[–] Worx@lemmynsfw.com 38 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I get that 9/11 is a big cultural event for you guys, but you also have mass shootings like every other day..

[–] BetaDoggo_@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 53 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Tangentially, Covid was a 9/11 per day or more for like 2 years. It's around a couple 9/11s a week now.

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago

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[–] Zorque@kbin.social 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

That's entirely the point. Instead of small problems that are consistent and easy to ignore, it was a singular event that's much easier to focus on. That's why so many politicians used it as an opportunity to consolidate power and enact draconian legal protections.

9/11 wasn't just "bad thing happen" it was "big bad to distract from small bad".

[–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

In Europe we've been ignoring the real issues with excuses for a long time. Now we see a lot of discontent and a political shift right. That's not gonna solve anything, but it's a symptom or result of not facing the problems we have.

[–] whenigrowup356@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

A majority of Americans want stricter gun laws, and that's been consistent for quite a few years.

We also have a dysfunctional political system that prevents popular ideas from getting anywhere, but we're not really unique in that I suppose.

[–] ShustOne@lemmy.one 1 points 9 months ago

Yes we have a serious problem with that. I'm not sure what that has to do with a large threat like 9/11 though. We lost 3000 Americans in a day. We can discuss that without having to bring in every problem at once.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

Gonna be civil unrest. I really don't see a different outcome with the right wing screeching hatred 24/7.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Pretty broad question.

A massive terror attack? I consider that unlikely.

A generation-defining historical event? We had one in Covid.

A mass casualty event? Again, Covid.

An excuse to wage war on another country, remove American rights, consolidate government power, and enrich certain people? I think that's quite possible. It worked extremely well for that purpose once.

(note I'm not one of those "9/11 was an inside job" conspiracy nuts, I just think there were some very smart, very greedy, and very evil people who seized the opportunity of 9/11 to effect the awful stuff)

[–] Marty_TF@lemmy.zip 19 points 9 months ago

at its peak (which lasted for months), covid killed more people daily than 9/11 did, and noone cared.

so the question is more about whether people blow up some highrise buildings that will cause chaos and despair.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I think we’ll have an environmental “9/11” moment fairly soon where a major American city gets flooded and the waters don’t recede and large parts of the city will need to migrate elsewhere. There will be a lot of handwringing, and news channels going, “How could this have happened?”, and stuff like that. Similar to Katrina I think, but it’ll affect more white people this time, so that’ll make it worse.

As for terrorist attacks, yeah that shit will keep happening, maybe not at the scale of planes crashing into stuff, but there will probably be significant, mass-casualty events I should think.

Maybe a natural disaster that causes civil unrest which triggers a domestic terrorism event.

[–] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 months ago

I think it’s more likely that we will see smaller scale attacks by domestic terrorists, ranging from mass shootings to something on the scale of a Timothy McVeigh. I can also see a probability of a return to a 1960s/1970s level of political violence and assassinations.

I think those are more likely than a large scale attack from foreign terrorists.

[–] cooopsspace@infosec.pub 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Bush isn't president anymore, and there's already a reason to justify another two decade war.

In any case, theres domestic terrorism happening every day in the US including Trump's Jan 6, and the twice a week school shootings.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Twice a week? According to this, there were 346 school shootings in the US in 2023. Almost enough for one per day. Then remember holidays and the winter and summer breaks...

I think this stat only counts K-12 schools too, not colleges.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Oh god, why do I do this to myself...fuck, ok, here we go

deep breath

Like almost all gun statistics that are shared in left-leaning media, this one is grossly misleading.

Casting a wide net, the database captures not only incidents in which a gun is fired on school property, but also those in which a bullet hits school property, whether or not school is in session. Incidents in which a gun is brandished but not fired and those in which there are no victims are also included.

So in this case, a "school shooting" can include incidents where there was literally not a single shot fired at all by anyone. A kid bringing his parents' gun to school and showing it to his friends is counted as a "school shooting".

[–] machinin@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I hate that you're getting downvoted. This is good information. I appreciate the contribution.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -3 points 9 months ago

People are not rational when it comes to guns, abortion, anything to do with children, etc. Contributing information is usually a bad idea and roundly rejected.

[–] Gumbyyy@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

I sure fucking hope not.

[–] BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

We lose more than a 9/11’s worth of people every day still due to COVID. The presence of other factors that result in death in no way erases this amount of loss, and yet we’re so numb to this it almost feels like it isn’t happening anymore to most of us.

Unfortunately I think we’re all too desensitized from the last decade or so to care if anything does happen, but I genuinely hope I’m wrong. It’s not looking good, though.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

I recently read a book by a retired agent about the effort against terrorism. If I remember correctly, terrorism has changed substantially since 9/11. The author described that terrorist nowadays are still organised more or less centrally but have a focus on smaller activities. I remember them describing them as "Nike terrorists" because of Niles slogan "just do it". The smaller and more isolated activities are apparently much harder to detect and counter than massive attempts like 9/11

[–] tiredofsametab@kbin.social 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ignoring domestic terrorism, an outside attack to me seems most likely in terms of cyberattacks on weak infrastructure (utilities, signals, etc.)

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

Domestic terrorists? You mean LoNe WoLvEs?

[–] amzd@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

All the reasons those guys did it are still there, nothing has changed yet so maybe? Hacking a plane got harder though.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago

Just changing the door on the plane made them basically impossible to hijack. The only real opening is to rush an open door.

Passengers are now also in the fight back mode rather than comply and let authorities negotiate ransom.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes!

As someone who is not American, it's so obvious that your shit is a bit fucked. Everyone is so deeply unhappy, it's being channelled into political partisanship.

Honestly I don't think there's any way to get back on track without some kind of event that galvanises you.

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If COVID didn't galvanize us, what possibly could?? I really can't think of anything short of a military attack directly on the homeland.

Probably a really good point.

I was thinking that a more imminent or physical threat would be "galvanising" but then, the way information gets all twisted around these days, I don't think such an event really exists.

[–] shani66@ani.social 7 points 9 months ago

You mean an event blown way out of proportion to justify draconian overreach? The Republicans trot one of those out literally every week.

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Yes. It's going to be 9/11 x 2 which is 18/11

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We Americans are gonna be real confused on November 18th when the rest of the world is like "bro we told you the exact date this would happen"

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

'It did seem odd that he didn't want to learn how to land the plane'

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Remember remember the eighteenth of November.

[–] ralakus@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

No, it's the 11th day of Octodectober

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

Be careful in June 2: Electric Boogaloo.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think you mean 9/11x100 (or x1000, or even x2356)

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Don't try to confuse me with your science.

PS. Good catch with link, lol

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

I think the likelihood of another major terrorist attack happening on US soil is drastically higher now than 30 years ago. But thats due to a lot of factors, primarily increased political hostility and increased population density.

[–] TheInsane42@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Some external group doing a terrorist attack? Nah, they don't need to. The US can attack themselves easily and will. With the coming high court ruling coming about Trump being withheld from voting slips (correct term? Not being alowed to be on the list during election) will be a huge thing. Either the very conservative judges he appointed will rule he incited a riot and should not be allowed in office again (according to the intention of article 14 of the US constitution, which those judges say they adhere), or they will say it's not up to us.

In the 1st case, the Trump adepts will start the 2nd civil war, in the 2nd case, who knows. Leaving it to the states could result in problems in some.

However you look at it, the USA is on it's way to a massive implosion. With a destabalised political system like that, which state needs enemies. No real democratic system has only 2 parties.