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Linus' thread: (CW: bigotry and racism in the comments) https://social.kernel.org/notice/AWSXomDbvdxKgOxVAm (you need to scroll down, i can't seem to link to the comment in the screenshot)

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[–] flibbertigibbet@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Political? For everyone outside of America that's just common sense.

[–] xyon@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

Hello I'm a trans person from the UK here to tell you this is sadly not the case at all.

[–] LlamaSutra@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

In Canada it’s starting to become “political” since our morons are egged on by the morons down south.

[–] paaviloinen@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago

Outside the US this no longer has to be political, is probably more what it really is.

[–] eighty@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago

I can relate to the "how the fuck is being a concerned human being extreme/poltical?" energy in the post hard.

[–] roda@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

Woman right to choose, fair enough. Regulated guns, absolutely. The less guns the better. Gay people stuff, I couldn't care less. Check.

The man said it as it should be said.

[–] xenago@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Linus has always been political and principled, I mean he chose the GPL for a reason! Glad to see him state all of this outright though, it only makes me respect him more.

[–] Puls3@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One great thing about about software is you don't have to agree with or care about what the creators thoughts and beliefs are, software is at the end of the day just software.

Doesn't get any less political than that.

[–] ravermeister@lemmy.rimkus.it 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I create software by myself and disagree. First it's very political where and for whom I choose to develop software. Second, software is always made for a purpose and the purpose can be indeed (and is) very often linked to political or social cause. E.g. a software which only purpose is to harm people, say for controlling mass destruction weapons is in my point of view a very political software

[–] Puls3@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

software is always made for a purpose and the purpose can be indeed (and is) very often linked to political or social cause

Its not though, typically software exists to serve a basic function at its core, and it could be used or contributed to by anyone for any number of things.

[–] panosalevropoulos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are thinking of software as if it exists in a vacuum. Software that is libre is a political statement. Software that is proprietary is also a political statement. Lemmy choosing to be decentralized/federated/interoperable is also a conscious political decision just as Apple chose to create its own proprietary ecosystem instead of caring about interoperability.

[–] Ferk@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

You can grow potatoes for political reasons too. Everything a human being does might be politically motivated, but that doesn't mean potatoes are political.

Anyone can take that same software, that was created as a particular political statement, and use it for the completelly opposite political reasons to make a completelly different political statement. Just the same way as many have used songs in contexts that are completelly politically opposite to what the original author of the song intended.

In the end, the only thing that's political is the goal/purpose/motivation of an action, not the result of the action. No piece of software/hardware/thing is political when you dettach the artist from the art and just see it for what it is, regardless of what the author might have wanted you to see it as.

[–] panosalevropoulos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

That's true. It's the human element that creates the political attribute.

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[–] bobslaede@feddit.dk 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't see how his, very reasonable, views makes Linux itself (more?) political. What is the point of this post?

[–] mFcGlNBcfr@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I don’t think the title is good, but I do think it’s notable to some extent. With people having weird, shitty opinions, it’s nice to see someone who is relatively famous in the tech community for having somewhat sane opinions and being vocal about it.

In my experience, the Linux community has got its own bunch of free speech weirdos who would reject some of these political points (especially the trans position), so I do think in that context it is kind of important.

[–] empireOfLove@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Linus gives exactly zero fucks about saying exactly what's on his mind. And it's almost always massively based. He's always been great about that, we don't deserve such a great mind.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

Seriously, we are super blessed to have him.

[–] CrownCrafter@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Remember the time with the anti vaxxer, man was firing with all cylinders

[–] GadgeteerZA@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Every human opinion is essentially "political" in some way, and is even interpreted differently be country? But open source software as a technology should not be taking any stance for or against gender, guns, rights, race, etc...

[–] swnt@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

Well, it's not any official statement by the Linux Devs as a collective.

It's simply the personal opinion of Linus - who also happens to be the person who created Linux and still manages it.

[–] seahorse@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I half agree with his gun regulation stance. While ideally there would be more caution given to who owns guns that is unfortunately not the world americans have been living in the last 80 years or so. The fascists have guns, lots of them, and I'm not giving mine up while they have them.

Everything else he said is 100% based.

[–] rakkhun@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think fascists is going too far… they’re crazy and dumb, that’s it.

[–] Cube6392@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

They attempted a violent coup. They're crazy, dumb, and dangerous

[–] Hexorg@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah the gun law regulators generally ignore the fact that everyone and their grandma already has guns. And those with guns are not willing to do trade in programs.

I’d like to see better psych eval and requiring to re-license every so often. That should start steering the country in the right direction. Of course I don’t see this happening any time soon.

[–] Metallinatus@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Well, yeah, fascists having guns is a "randomly giving guns to any moron with a pulse" problem.

[–] RenaHersch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Holy shit a based Linus is not what I expected to see today. Makes me prefer Linux even more than I already did.

What would you use for a synonym for based? I keep seeing that used. I always thought it was just some alt-right meme bullshit, but I'm learning I was wrong. I still don't get the use. My mind always thinks "based on what?"

[–] matir@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I've never been made happier by one of his rants.

[–] Metallinatus@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Holy fuck, I love that guy even more now. I didn't know that was possible.

[–] paaviloinen@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] SolNine@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Incredibly sensible take on all accounts in my opinion! I share all of the same opinions, though I lack the platform to be listened too haha.

[–] Stumblinbear@pawb.social 0 points 1 year ago

Based but don't make Linux political

[–] FuzzyDunlop@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

When the only thing that continues to work on you ad-filled web site is the captcha, I’m not interested in supporting your journalism any more.

Protip: You can crash self-driving cars by purposefully misclicking during Captcha checks when they ask you to identify what is a bicycle, a car, a pedestrian, etc. Keep misclicking, your are poisoning the AI with each misclick. Just stay safe on the sidewalk.

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[–] Generator@lemmy.pt 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe because he's not "American" and comes from a country with regulations like the rest of the world, and people care when they vote to make things work.

And like most of the rest of the world, there are more than two political parties, and is not a drama show.

[–] Andreas@feddit.dk 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He has American citizenship and lives in America, he's talking about America here. And I promise you that other countries, yes even those in the magical fantasy land of Europe, also have lots of political drama despite having more than two parties in the government (They tend to form alliances based on left/right and split into two blocks anyway).

[–] Generator@lemmy.pt 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I know, im from Europe.
The drama is not compared to USA, we don't vote on celebrities.

In my country we even have a party for the animals and climate, so when USA still trying to vote for basic rights, we already ahead and vote for animal rights and more climate change.

[–] Andreas@feddit.dk 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah no, this "America Bad and backwards 3rd world country while us Europeans are so enlightened" circlejerk isn't constructive either. The American political system is terrible but a lot of European countries, mine included, are copying their "celebrity drama show" attitude towards politics because of extreme American cultural influence. We shouldn't deny our own problems.

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[–] Maerman@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago

Hell yeah. I love watching this man take a stance.

[–] vanderbilt@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago

Linus delivering the well-deserved beatdown as always.

[–] DidacticDumbass@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Linus is stellar example of "good is not nice."

He will rake you over the coals because he cares about quality and expects better from everyone.

[–] guyman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Good can be nice. This is just him personally and shouldn't be seen as a guideline on how to be good.

[–] Themightypooper@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

After being disappointed by Steve, Linus lifted my spirits.

[–] FiskFisk33@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

All sensible points, nothing extreme, except maybe the Linus trademark super blunt delivery

[–] mbp@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Linus is based as fuck as always. Level-headed and agreeable as always.

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