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[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 29 points 6 months ago (25 children)

Fun fact: George Takei himself complained that Sulu is portrait gay in the new movies. He said that even tho he himself is gay, he always played Sulu as a straight guy. But why would the headcanon of an actor be more important than any other

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's not just how Takei played it, the first thing an inhibition-free Zulu does in The Naked Time is to go after Uhura - and Mirror Zulu obviously has the hots for her too.

[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 7 points 6 months ago

Takei's Sulu always gave me bisexual energy.

Source: my wishful thinking (aka my ass)

[–] millie@startrek.website 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

I mean, if it informs the performance meaningfully, it's part of the end product. Doesn't mean it's necessarily canon or whatever, but it certainly has the potential to impact later performances if direction moves away from the actor's previous internal preparation.

I could see it being off-putting to work under a director or with writing that bleeds your public personality into your role, especially if it's one you've gotten to a certain place with.

Like even as a roleplayer, any character i might embody in the moment has a life of its own that's distinct from mine, and would make decisions that I wouldn't. If someone tried to push me into acting a way that's more typical of myself out of character or that's more in line with a different character I play, or if they reacted to the character based on that outside stuff, I'd certainly resist it.

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[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Why wouldn't the original actor be the authority on the subject? If they immersed themselves in the material and have a good memory, wouldn't that be "the truth"?

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

But why would the headcanon of an actor be more important than any other

Idk perhaps because actors can imbue characters with unwritten properties through their portrayal?

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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 25 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (14 children)

With the debatable exception of Jadzia, all those characters were exclusively shown in heterosexual relationships.

Rejoined was a great episode.

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 10 points 6 months ago (6 children)

all those characters were exclusively shown in heterosexual relationships.

That's not exactly evidence against them all being bi

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

This is where the wishful thinking, mentioned earlier, comes to play I guess.

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[–] mipadaitu@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

Julian and Garak were clearly in a relationship. Just ask Garak.

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Don’t get baited

I got suckered into arguing about this very topic some days ago, and only had my sexuality questioned when they ran out of arguments. Suffice it to say that there is plenty of wishful thinking involved

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[–] constantokra@lemmy.one 4 points 6 months ago (11 children)

Not too sure what's debatable about Jadzia. Julian on the other hand... pretty debatable.

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[–] Lath@kbin.social 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Kira was a rebel at heart.

Bashir was in the "I've been genetically modified, which is illegal, so should I have kids?" camp, if I remember correctly.

Sisko loved his wife.

Odo was a gelatinous blob.

Jadzia was influenced by past multiple personalities, so she likely loved pans and pots.

O'Brien was a weeb. He only loved his waifu, the transporter room.

Jake was a reporter. He loved crawling into holes he shouldn't have been crawling into.

Quark was a businessman. He loved risky ventures.

[–] optissima@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

He only loved his waifu, the transporter room.

Slight disagree, he only loved his waifu, constantly breaking systems.

Miles "I can fix her" O'Brein

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[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Agreed on all points except Garak, the simple tailor.

Anybody who misses how shamelessly he flirts with Julian needs their head-canon checked on.

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[–] loopedcandle@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Although it isn't really shown, Odo is nonbinary by definition isn't he?

[–] Czarb@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)
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[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Isn't cis another word for straight?
I honestly don't know, just asking

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well, trans as a root means across from, or on the other side of.

Cis means on this side of. Both are from latin roots.

When using it in gender discussions, it means someone that isn't trans, aka the gender normative, aka the folks that match in terms of inner and outer gender expression.

Cisgender started out as a term back in the nineties, as a way to be able to refer to the majority that are gender normative with a simpler term when discussing transgender/transexual issues. As you can see, it is incredibly cumbersome to describe the cisgender people of the world without using cis. Pain in the ass when you're writing or talking about the subject. And the nineties are when that kind of discussion became more prevalent.

There's also the fact that people have put unnecessary weight to the word "normal", and tend not to understand the word normative. Because of the way normal has been used for a very long time now, despite it really meaning something that's typical, any use of it implies that everything else is abnormal in a bad way rather than just not typical. Largely because in most fields, abnormal is a bad thing. Abnormal blood work as an example.

So, we have heteronormative and cisnormative for the straights and non trans people behaving in typical ways for those groups as well as cisgender meaning aligning with one's nominative gender.

Now, can cis be used to denote "straight" people? Kinda, but not really. It would be a very unusual usage because straight in terms of non normative sexuality being discussed almost always refers to sexual orientation. Using cis to mean straight isn't unreasonable, particularly since you'll run into situations where gay people and trans people might just use straight as a shorter word for cis-hetero. But you won't see that in anything but casual settings because of the very confusion you're dealing with. Most of my close friends are gay or otherwise under the lgbtq+ heading, and I've never actually heard anyone use cis as a synonym for straight, but I have heard "straights" used as a term that includes cis.

Yay for language!

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Interesting and still confusing haha.
Thank you for taking the time, I learned a little today.

[–] CptEnder@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Tldr:

Cis: I got a dick, I look like a guy, I also feel this way inside.

Cis: I got a vagina, I look like a girl, I also feel this way inside.

NB/trans: any number of these combinations do not match the same way as above.

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[–] King_Bob_IV@startrek.website 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Cis refers to gender identity where as straight refers to their sexuality.

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