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[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 49 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I don’t get the NatPo’s issue with this. They want the CBC to be more like a business, more conservative and less progressive, right?

Isn't this exactly what Conrad or Izzy would have done?

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 8 months ago

Conservatives are obsessed with uncovering any hint of hypocrisy from perceived "liberals". They believe that if one liberal every did anything remotely hypocritical, that that destroys the entire political ideology of "not being a complete ghoul".

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 15 points 8 months ago

The Overton Window

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

Subtly over time just shifting the entire conversation more to the right all the time .... the extreme far right enters the conversation but is still unacceptable, the right becomes more acceptable, the center becomes the new right, the left moves to the middle, and the left is presented as the far left which becomes unacceptable

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Nat post wants their competition to go away

[–] DonkMagnum@lemy.lol 2 points 8 months ago

They’re putting in overtime licking PP’s boots.

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago

The issue is the CBC is state owned, so it's the enemy. They go off on the NFB too.

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 28 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So those employees got an average bonus of $13,000. Not nothing, but hardly c-suite insane levels of compensation.

Also, what do the relevant employee contracts look like? A lot of the time bonuses are built into the contract and tied to very specific metrics. If that is the case, the CBC would have to pay out that bonus, regardless of the overall state of the company.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Once again, a big nothingburger from NatPo.

CBC kinda sucks, but this is a drop in the bucket compared to the closed-doors deals that Enbridge makes, or Rogers/Bell, or Bombardier. Like, selective outrage is so so so so so stupid.

For fuck's sake Canadian media is so fucking terrible. Like, there appears to be a complete void of creativity and interest in pursuing interesting Canadian content. Our news agencies are a complete joke too.

[–] moistclump@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Yes. Agreed. Except schitts creek and baroness von sketch. And working moms. But still agreed.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 months ago

Don't forget our boy Murdoch Mysteries. And did you know that Paw Patrol is Canadian? But back to Murdoch. The doctor on that show is so goddamn hot, just like all Canadians.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

The difference being that CBC is funded in large part by our tax dollars, so we have a much more vested interest in how it's spent than other private companies.

I get the feeling that most people criticizing NatPo are under the impression that they have no real stake in this news just because they "don't watch CBC". But believe me, we all do.

The CBC is shit and I don't want my taxes going towards them (that's a long bitter story). But I don't have a choice and no one else does either. So we can at least pay attention when the money is going to the brass instead of the workers.

Edited to add: I'm as left as they come. Don't mistake this for me thinking that the NatPo is anything less than a right-wing sack of shit publication. But even the worst person you know can make a decent point every now and again.

[–] emptiestplace@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I mean, ...

tell the story, or don't?

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 months ago

Basically, it boils down to the fact that in exchange for public funds, the CBC has a mandate to provide access to ALL Canadians.

So back in 2011, they decide they are going to shut down all of their analog broadcast towers for over-the-air signal since, they said it would cost "x" amount (I don't remember the exact amount that long ago) to maintain them until 2035 or so.

So this left only the digital towers, which only covered the bigger cities. If you were too far out of a major city you were shit out of luck for over the air service.

Their argument, when people like me piped up, was that we could still access it through a cable subscription, which (in my opinion) is a blatant breach of their contract.

Why are my taxes going to fund something that I THEN have to pay another service for in order to access?

To me, and others back then, a mandate to provide access to ALL Canadians is exactly that...full stop; no extra subscriptions needed. No cable package, no internet, nothing.

If you are taking public money to provide a service, you provide that service no....matter....what. Otherwise, let me choose to not have a cut of my taxes given to you.

Two months after that decision, CBC bid for, and paid, that exact same amount of money to get the broadcast rights to the next Olympics, which no broadcaster has EVER turned a profit on.

So me, and others, felt (I feel) rightfully fucked over.

As I said, I'm about as left as they come, and I WAS a supporter of the CBC up until that point. But yeah....after that, fuck 'em.

[–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

The CBC is shit [citation needed]

[–] RandAlThor@lemmy.ca 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Natpost suddenly forgets that CBC is competing against right-wing controlled private enterprises for the talent they have. If they don't give bonuses, they will lose the media talent.

[–] Poutinetown@lemmy.ca 17 points 8 months ago

Oh they are fully aware of that. That's why they wrote this article

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I suspect even CBC contractors get paid better than folks in the private sector. The salaried employees definitely do.

[–] DonkMagnum@lemy.lol 3 points 8 months ago

Good. I’m glad that my tax dollars are going towards good jobs with fair wages.

[–] acastcandream@beehaw.org 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So on average a 13k bonus per employee that got one

And if we say average salary is 60k * 800

48 million was taken off the books.

Math seems to suggest they aren’t related

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wouldn't the math would also suggest they could have retained 1/3 of the fired employees if they'd forgone the bonuses?

If the budget is so tight that they have to fire hundreds of employees, why are bonuses deserved?

[–] Whelks_chance@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wouldn't be surprised if it was to make sure the experienced and mission critical people stick around, instead of jumping off a sinking ship. Downsizing can lead to a panic where you lose the people you vitally need.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, at this point we're hitting a level of nuance that would require more information than I have. There was also the surprise budget cut somewhere along the way.

[–] Whelks_chance@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Right. A company that can lose 800 employees doesn't consider a few million to be that big a deal. Especially if it helps secure future income. Which is kinda the point of the whole thing.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 8 months ago

14,902,755/1,143 ~= 13,000

A nice bonus, but not entirely unreasonable for a professional. I have no idea how evenly that was spread out exactly.

[–] CorvusNyx@beehaw.org 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I’m curious, did NatPo also cover the fact that Bell was subsidized $40 million by the federal government for losses suffered by Bell Media, a bill pushed forward by the Conservatives and supported by the NDP, only for Bell to turn around, fire thousands, all while giving a 3.5% increase in dividends for shareholders?

[–] northmaple1984@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

I'm pretty pissed about that too. All corporate subsidies need to end

[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Watch an all new Elsbeth this Thursday on CBS.

[–] ytterbium@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Tait, who earns $497,000 per year

She's laughing all the way to the bank.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm not saying that's a small salary but compared to a lot of CEOs that's nothing

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Most CEOs make their money in stocks and bonuses, neither of which falls into the salary category.

[–] moistclump@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

BBC’s CEO salary is equivalent to $904k CAD.