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I'm considering getting a laptop for Linux and want to know a few things before I do. Some important info before I start: I don't plan on using the laptop for anything too intense, mainly writing, digital art, streaming, browsing, and maybe very mild video editing (cropping at least and shortening at most). I would also prefer the laptop to be inexpensive, preferably under 1000 USD

I mainly want to know if whether I should get a laptop by a manufacturer that specializes in Linux or a laptop that runs a different OS (exp: Windows) to install Linux on later. I've also scouted out quite a few distros and have a good idea of which ones I would like using

I've already looked at a few mainline Linux hardware producers like System76 but want to know if it's worth it before sinking money into it

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[–] Brgor@lemmy.zip 69 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Check out Framework if you haven't already! https://frame.work/linux

They're designed to be upgraded and repaired over time so they're super modular. You can also save some money if you're not afraid to put it together yourself.

[–] ibroughtashrubbery@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How's the Camera working on these? On most recent laptops it seems not to be just a camera sensor like in the good ol' days, but a full blown i2c module, which does a lot of processing before delivering the images, and with rather obscure code that people is really struggling to build drivers for.

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[–] waigl@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

While I support the framework laptop, OP did also say under a thousand dollars. You cannot really get a framework laptop for that price.

Edit: Thousand, not hundred

[–] Kaloi@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You can get a diy base framework 13 with either intel or amd for $849 w/o ram and the ssd, and just purchase those part separately for just about $1000 total.

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[–] huskypenguin@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

True. But framework is an investment in a sustainable future since the mobo is upgradeable.

[–] shertson@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Mine in in the mail. Got the shipping notification last night. So excited! I didn't the past year saving up for it. I'm glad to see that everything works out of the box with Fedora.

[–] themadcodger@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I got their 12th gen diy last year and it was really easy to assemble. I was pleasantly surprised at how well thought out it was.

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[–] l3mming@lemmy.fmhy.ml 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Lenovo is renowned for their excellent linux compatibility. I'm sure you'll get a bunch of proponents here saying the same.

BUT, oh boy. Don't get me started...

Too late. Having used various models of thinkpads in recent years, their inconsistent keyboard layouts will drive you absolutely insane. I swear, at this point they're just fucking with us.

I've got one in pieces somewhere, that has/had the ~ key next to the FN key on the bottom row! How the fuck are you supposed to use Linux if you're ~ key is down there? It's fucking stupid.

Not to mention their keys have a tendency to break off with just the mildest of fist slams.

AND the latest work-issued recent model is fucking with us again! It has the FN key ON THE LEFT SIDE of the Ctrl key on the left. Who does that? The Ctrl is always the left-most bottom key. Now, every time I fucking go to press Ctrl+something, I end up hitting FN instead.

Fucking morons! At this rate this laptop will also end up in pieces.

So, tldr; Stay the fuck away from Lenovo if you want to use Linux and not end up in prison for vehicular homicide.

[–] jameskirk@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hear me out. Go to the BIOS. Swap Left Ctrl and FN! Thanks me later :)

[–] l3mming@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Thank you! It's a bloody miracle!

[–] pixelprimer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Hahaha, I’m the opposite I’ve been so used to the thinkpad fn that I hate using other laptop keyboards.

[–] PurrJPro@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh :( As annoying as that is I can't bring myself to completely take it off the board. Thanks for the warning, though! Nobody's mentioned that so far :)

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[–] keen1320@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The Fn and Carl keys can be switched in software. I have a work-issued Lenovo with a similar layout. They can be soft-swapped in the BIOS. There’s also a desktop utility to do the same but I don’t know if they have a Linux version of it. I totally agree, the physical layout is annoying but it has a simple fix.

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[–] borlax@lemmy.borlax.com 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Used Thinkpad from eBay is your best bet to start imo.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

No question, excellent compatibility, will last you a while, you can get a nicer one once you get comfortable.

Spent $500 on this one to hold you over till you can afford a framework, or spend less, you can still get by with a decent one for $250 or so.

[–] jivandabeast@lemmy.browntown.dev 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This, got me through my entire cybersecurity & digital forensics undergrad

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[–] probably_a_robot@lemmy.one 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I bought a DIY Edition Framework Laptop 13 with an i5 1240p for about $1050 after buying my RAM and SSD on their own. This is the best option if you're into modularity and upgradability and second only to buying used when it comes to environmental friendliness (in my opinion). Battery life isn't anything to write home about at least on 12th Intel though, supposedly 13th gen Intel CPUs do better

Otherwise, System76, Tuxedo Computers, and Laptop with Linux are probably good options if you want Linux pre-installed. All 3 of those take Clevo laptops and make them their own.

Starlabs also looks like an interesting option, but I believe the Starlite is the only option under $1000 USD. As far as I know, they're the only company that makes their own laptop chases from scratch for Linux.

Links:

Framework

Starlabs

System 76

Laptop with Linux

Tuxedo

[–] PurrJPro@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Framework has quite a nice selection and the modularity is an amazing feature! Although having Linux preinstalled is a pretty big draw, and Sysytem76 has some VERY nice looking machines. Thank you!

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[–] _s10e@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You got all the good infos already, but I'll stress:

  1. Get Linux preinstalled from a reputable vendor. Linux works on most devices really; but when buying new, you don't want the hassle to even think about drivers.
  2. If you cannot buy from a Linux-friendly vendor, buy an older model that's VERY popular with Linux users (like the stereotypical thinkpad). Again, most devices will work, but you don't want the hassle.
  3. Intel everything just works out-of-the-box with Open Source drivers and is good enough for work. I'm not aware of the current state of AMD, nvidia drivers.
  4. Choose a popular generic purpose distro. They are all good (enough) and should work out of the box. Popular for end users are Ubuntu (although hated by a vocal group) and related ones such Debian or PopOS; maybe Mint. I'd put Fedora/RedHat and Suse on the same level (but I wouldn't know since I settled on Debian/Ubuntu long ago). Then, Arch adresses a different clientele who wants to tinker with there system; not my choice if you want a computer that just works, but great community. Anything else probably has too small of a user group unless it's popular with your friends or line of work
  5. Treat it like a Mac. It's different.
[–] racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have been purposefully avoiding Intel for the last six years. AMD CPUs are great if you are not stressed on ultra low power consumption. More threads, less money. AMD GPU drivers are open source and well integrated into the kernel, unlike NVidia's proprietary driver, which I will never go back to.

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[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’d say Framework, but I don’t think they have stuff under $1000 unfortunately.

[–] PurrJPro@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've never heard of framework so I'll check them out, although it's a bit unfortunate they might not have anything in my price range :( thanks regardless!

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Their main draw is modularity. You can replace the components with newer ones down the line (need to replace entire motherboard for CPU upgrade, but that's not really their fault). You also choose which ports you want.

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[–] Agility0971@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

If you can you should try to savve up for a framework laptop

[–] iopq@latte.isnot.coffee 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm a fan of Framework laptops. They have given people the option to upgrade several motherboards by Intel and released an AMD version to boot. I don't think there's ever been a manufacturer that offered three generations of motherboards on the same chassis. The swappable ports are kind of neat, you can choose which ones you want to use

The 13" is already on sale with a 16" coming later this year

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[–] runaway@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

If you're looking for a cheap but solid laptop, you can get some pretty good deals on Dell Refurbished. Click on Laptops at the top, then look for the 50% off codes at the top of the page.

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[–] ConvertCoffeeToCode@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've installed Linux on two Windows laptops:

  • A 2019 Lenovo Yoga with an Intel CPU and Nvidia GPU. Kubuntu worked without any issue, aside from the Nvidia drivers being finicky. It also has a touchscreen with pen support, which works really well.
  • A 2022 Asus Vivobook with an AMD CPU. Tried Fedora for this one and had tons of driver issues at first, but they eventually got patched.

So, I'd say that buying a Windows laptop and installing Linux on it is certainly viable, as long as you're ready to do some amount of troubleshooting or waiting for driver updates. Oh, and keeping the Windows partition somehow (dual booting or w/e) can be handy for firmware updates.

[–] PurrJPro@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Ahh, I figured that'd be a problem. Although it's not make or break, it certainly is a bit annoying

[–] onescomplement@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If your on a budget, an older Thinkpad is a good choice. I picked up a X220 with a charger and spare battery off of Craiglist a year ago for $60.

Ended up going with Coreboot with a SeaBIOS payload and Debian OS.

[–] PurrJPro@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have enough money to buy a more modern Lenovo laptop, but I'm definitely considering getting one renewed simply because of how cheap it is. I'd prefer newer age specs tho. Thank you!

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[–] CaptainJack42@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

If I'd buy a new laptop these days I'd go with a framework. Other than that, buying a refurbished ThinkPad is always a great option and they generally run really good with Linux. As for support I wouldn't be too afraid, almost all hardware is supported these days as long as it's not something really obscure. The main thing worth checking is probably the WiFi card, I heard there are some that are a pain to set up, but I never ran into that. That being said most manufacturers won't officially support Linux and if they do they'll only support fedora or Ubuntu (speaking about big manufacturers, ofc there's system76 and stuff), but as I said I don't think I've encountered a laptop that straight up wasn't able to run Linux. Also if possible avoid Nvidia GPUs, they work, but can be a pain with drivers breaking on the regular

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I bought a new thinkpad t14 for $900. I have arch and windows 10 dual booted and it's doing great

[–] PurrJPro@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Ooo, nice! And despite this being a Linux only laptop knowing it works well dual booting is nice

[–] yamapikariya@lemmyfi.com 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm fairly new to Linux, but I quickly learned that AMD based stuff is better for Linux.

[–] PurrJPro@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh, really? I knew AMD was more popular among Linux users, but I never really made the connection that it was better, lol. Thanks!

[–] Mereo@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oooooh yeah. I currently have an AMD video card and it's heaven. No drivers problems, KDE Wayland works perfectly, it's just absolutely awesome.

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[–] RaySteelworth@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you're thinking of getting one, i personally would recommend getting one from https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/. Extremely good quality and a really clean distro with Tuxedo OS 2 although you are able to install on it whatever you want.

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[–] rescue_toaster@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

System 76 customer here. I just replaced my 2011 system 76 lemur with a new lemur. I have Ubuntu installed on both and have never tried pop os. I was very happy with that laptop and the company in general. It actually still runs okay. I did replace the battery after about 5 or 6 years. I'm thinking of trying out nixos on it.

My guilty reason for upgrading was I wanted to play dwarf fortress at more than 5 fps...

[–] Grass@geddit.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I want a system76 pangolin but I'm broke.

[–] PurrJPro@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

GODDDD u have no idea how much I feel u there

[–] stefenauris@pawb.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been pleased with using refurbished Thinkpads off amazon. They're pretty well supported except for maybe like the fingerprint reader which I never cared about anyway.

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[–] priapus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

A framework 100%. The lowest end diy should be right around $1000, probably lower if you buy the third party parts yourself. And it'll save you a few hundred bucks when it's time to upgrade. Also keep an eye on the refurbs in the marketplace, they're out of stock rn but that might change.

[–] keenworld@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everyone's made good suggestions, but I wanted to throw out there that I just recently learned Kubuntu actually has been making its own line of custom-made laptops for a while, called Focus. There's a few different models, and IIRC one or two configurations are below $1000. You'll definitely save a buck by going with Windows-first options, but if you want to support Linux that'd be one way of doing it.

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[–] ursakhiin@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

I have a Darter from System 76 with Pop!_OS as my personal laptop that I code on and I absolutely love it. It runs extremely smoothly and I've not had any crashes with it.

I also have a Lemur from them with Ubuntu for work and it's kinda meh. Is difficult to say what causes the issues I have. It may just be the corporate tools but I end up having hard locks that require a reboot.

If you go with them I strongly suggest Pop! The distro is built for their hardware and works really well.

[–] MrPhibb@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would recommend looking at Lenovo, they can have some really good deals. I'm rocking an IdeaPad Flex 5, though I don't actually use the touchscreen features, but it works solid for me (email, document writing/editing, web surfing, movie watching).

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