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[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 99 points 7 months ago (13 children)

Aspertame is the most-tested food additive ever. There has never been proven any causal link to cancer, not in the decades anyone has tried, and there still hasn’t— not even in this year-old article.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 16 points 7 months ago (7 children)

So, I can keep drinking my beloved zero mountain dew?

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

There are other things in that which are bad for you.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.social 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I would if I weren’t going to bed. Feel free to ignore me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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[–] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You should switch to Diet Baja Blast. It’s healthier because it’s tastier or something.

Green means healthy!

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[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

I feel like this is a difficult subject, since there's two sides that are willing to pour money into research that's biased one way or the other (Big sugar vs the artificial sweeteners).

The article is perhaps advocating for an overly cautious position. Traditionally, I've been pro-artificial sweeteners, and considered aspartame quite safe, but specifically, this part in the article:

the IARC is more selective in its use of unpublished, confidential commercial data, and it takes greater care to exclude people with conflicts of interest from contributing to its evaluations.

A few years ago, Millstone and a co-author looked closely at how the European Food Safety Authority had weighed the 154 studies on aspartame safety when it looked to assess the product in 2013. About half of the studies favored aspartame’s safety and about half indicated it might do harm.

The agency had judged all of the harm-suggesting studies — but only a quarter of the safety-affirming studies — to be “unreliable,” wrote the authors. And the agency had applied looser quality standards to the studies suggesting safety than it had to the studies suggesting harm. Agency reviewers pushed back against Millstone’s assessment. And in any case, aspartame has remained on the European market.

Was a little concerning.

The conflict of interest even more so:

The FDA has rules about who can serve on its advisory committees that are aimed at preventing conflicts of interest. However, a recent investigation by ProPublica found that consultants employed by McKinsey worked for the FDA on drug safety monitoring projects while simultaneously working for pharmaceutical companies directly affected by those projects.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

As much as you may try to use a straw man to shift the discussion to governing or regulatory agencies, there is still no actual evidence linking aspartame to harmful effects in humans when used as a food additive.

Different agencies and studies can irresponsibly throw around words like “maybe” and “possibly” and “might”, but until there’s any real evidence linking aspartame’s use as a sweetener to an illness in a human, then it’s nothing but fear-mongering.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

I don't believe I'm straw manning, and I think your characterization of that is a little unwarranted.

There is no study that conclusively points to it being harmful, that is true. But when there's a lot of money on the line and conflicts of interest start getting involved, I don't think it's entirely out of the question to be at least slightly wary of the 'official' recommendation from a verifiably financially biased institution. Regular folk aren't going to research all 154 studies on a single sweetener, making them inherently reliant on institutions (who can do meta studies) for advice. It's the quintessential laymen's quandary.

The EU seems to be, at least nowadays, a more trustworthy source regarding food safety, and are certainly more willing to reverse previously incorrect assumptions, such as when they reversed the ban on Cyclamate sweetener when it was found to be safe (yet it remains banned in the US). They, so far, also deem aspartame safe, and it's difficult to see how exactly it could be dangerous.

Is it safer than sugar, where there are known dangers? I think so, I'd pick a diet soda over a sugar-based one any day. But I think it's healthy to at least attempt to ensure the answer recommended to us is as unbiased as possible.

By the way, the article itself doesn't even suggest that aspertame is that dangerous:

“My big concern is that I don’t want people saying, ‘Oh my gosh, I’ve got to stop diet sodas, I’m gonna get sugared sodas,’ and then they start drinking those and gain weight, which we know is one of the major cancer risks,” said Bevers. “And that has solid data.” A better outcome of the recommendation would be if people who drink a ton of diet soda replaced some of it with water.

I think the takeaway from this article should be "Aspartame is probably pretty safe, but holy shit one of the main institutions we have in charge of determining that, along with a bunch of other substances, is basically corporate captured, so get your advice elsewhere."

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[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And there are many daily consumed food items (processed food, alcohol, ...) that are known to cause cancer but nobody tries to regulate those.

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[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 39 points 7 months ago (8 children)

Good to know, I’ll stick to sodas full of sugar, no problem can come from that 👍

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 26 points 7 months ago (6 children)

The article says that sugar based drinks are far worse for your health than diet versions.

[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 24 points 7 months ago

Your average pseudoscience obsessed health hobbyist is never going to notice that particular detail though.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 39 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Does it have atomic mass? Then it probably can cause cancer.

[–] batmaniam@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago

This is a good rule, especially for things that change their own atomic mass.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Does it interact in any way whatsoever with the electromagnetic spectrum?

Yeah that'll give you cancer alright

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[–] garretble@lemmy.world 32 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Here’s another year old article that came out in response to this.

TLDR: You should not worry, and the only people who might think about worrying are those drinking 12 cans of diet soda a day — so basically no one.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/07/13/1187284010/world-health-organization-is-aspartame-carcinogenic

"Our results do not indicate that occasional consumption should pose a risk to most consumers," said Dr. Francesco Branca, director of the Department of Nutrition and Food Safety at the WHO, during a press conference in Geneva. He said the problem is for "high consumers" of diet soda or other foods that contain aspartame. "We have, in a sense, raised a flag here," Branca said, and he called for more research.

But the U.S. Food and Drug Administration says it disagrees with this new classification, pointing to evidence of safety. In a written statement, an FDA official told NPR that aspartame being labeled by the WHO "as 'possibly carcinogenic to humans' does not mean that aspartame is actually linked to cancer."

The WHO has long set the acceptable daily intake, or ADI, of aspartame at a maximum of 40 milligrams per kilogram of body weight per day. So, a person who weighs 60 kilograms (about 130 pounds), could consume up to 2,400 milligrams per day, which is roughly equivalent to 12 cans of Diet Coke — much higher than most people consume.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago (5 children)

I beg to differ I know for fact my dad drinks 12 cans or more a day. Hell I did at one time but with regular Dr Pepper. It not hard to go through a 12oz can of soda.

[–] garretble@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Oh I do a ton. I was referring when I was younger.

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[–] weariedfae@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

I came in here ready to defend delicious aspartame from people who aren't science literate and was surprised to see many really good arguments and comments already posted. Lemmy, you're pretty cool as a community right now.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Realistically what it means is that millions of people will react with "meh, still gonna use it." I mean, have you met humans? We knew lead was toxic since at least the Roman era, but that didn't stop us from using it in everything - including food and drink.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The difference is that you can completely avoid lead poisoning if you eliminate exposure to lead, but you can't completely avoid cancer even if you eliminate exposure to carcinogens.

And eliminating exposure to aspartame would have only a minimal effect, at best, on your overall risk of cancer.

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (6 children)

And they'll do that while standing in bright sunlight without sunscreen, drinking beer, eating red meat, processed food, candy with real sugar and driving in fossil fuel cars which are in the same or higher category of cancer risks.

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[–] rei@piefed.social 11 points 7 months ago (3 children)

A few months ago, Ann Reardon released a good video covering this

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[–] gitamar@feddit.de 10 points 7 months ago

So according to WHO, aspartame is more cancerous than glyphosate

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

Mexican coke > regular Coke

Mexican coke Lite > Diet coke

Sorry y'all that's just coke math.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)
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