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Wow.

The chart does not cover fallacies like strawman arguments. Perhaps that's around a corner of the "pyramid", on a side not shown.

Could be not even on the chart, or could be suppression.

Orwellian language of the oppressor. But beyond that, yes.

Thanks for the thoughtful response.

sometimes there comes a point where all parties realize that there’s just no common ground, or what little there is has been charted. You say one last thing, then it ends.

I suspect (or perhaps am being wishfully optimistic), this may be confirmation bias, and that common ground and progressing dialogue can be rediscovered.

whittled me down to agree after all? That’s where it becomes slightly abusive* imho.

We are each not our arguments, and it serves the dialogue and exploration/search for truth, to rest in this non-attachment. But yes, there's much risk of misfortune and succumbing to compellingly argued wrongness, failing to find adequate counterargument in a timely manner.

Hah! I didn't even notice the missing r, even after seeing the more recent saute joke from someone else. N1

And I don’t personally see any fucking reason to own a copy of my music.

And reading that was when I stopped moving the cursor to the upvote arrow. ;-)

But that's fine, so long as when you own nothing, you're happy. ;-) /s

I see owning a copy of arts as performing part of a duty to the future, increasing the resilience against the book burners and history re-writers.

I have the music I made on my computer ~ well, technically on my external storage hard drive. And so, I don't need to stream my music. ;-)

But then, some argue such things as https://soffmimuhod.bandcamp.com/ may not even qualify as music.

Hope better, higher.

Hopefully you can raise it to centrally refuting the point.

Or at least to counterargument, above mere contradiction.

Total sidetrack and total missing the point.

I didn’t say “taxes are good” or “current education is good”.

The problem I posed is that knowledge transfer is an essential skill and people who are bad at it are–I would suppose–both oblivious to it and easier to take advantage of.

Edit: TBH your comment is so whacky and on your own terms I didn’t even read to the end section. It’s not even left field, it’s 2 counties over.

Edit 2: Now I read it in full and, bro, that’s a bunch of potentially well meaning conspiratorial retardation. Just no.

You are unfortunately, literally pictured in the OP meme with a veneer of “I’m 14 and this is deep”.

Fun to see such a retort, on same day as I posted a re-creation of the extended version of Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement.

Starts with a non-sequitor, follows with an apparent strawman argument refuting an accusation not made, then a "not even wrong", then arguing tone coupled with a celebration of ignorance and unwitting mischaracterisation, ending on two ad-hominems. XD See? Epistemology's fun.

that pyramid makes it look like debate is build on a foundation of violence

A point to raise with Paul Graham (or whoever first depicted it as a "pyramid" graphic), for his appearing like debate is built on a foundation of name-calling.

How do you determine they are "nonsensical conspiracies"?

Could it be media induces in us a belief that we think ourselves "media competent", such that we begin to presume to know, without scrutiny?

... Certainly used to be my job, when I worked in advertising. Easier to induce in people, than to undo.

Few seem of a Socratic bent, such as "All I know is I know nothing. And sometimes I forget even that much.", preferring instead the feels of believing themselves smart and wise, not confronting the horror of how readily manipulated they are. ... Sorry for my part, doing that to everybody who saw the adverts and corporate branding I made when I was "just doing my job". Had I stayed in the industry, I dread to think what I'd be doing now with the power at the advertiser's/marketer's/propagandist's disposal, able to cold read smart phone users, 24/7.

I used to do it. And I'm not self deluded enough to think even my level of media awareness is in any way adequate a protection against it.

But having said that... Yes, better media awareness(/"competence"), than "a doctors degree". Having a doctorate makes sure you were obedient enough to get through the system, and makes you a special influencer target for such manipulations. Always seek another "2nd opinion".