jatone

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[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago

The disclaimer from people screaming lesser evil. ;)

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

laugh i never thought biden (or the dnc) was anyone but who he was. I was entirely unsurprised by his administration and this election cycle.

I dont particularly care if they move further right. Thats their decision. Just means they're even less likely to get votes from people like myself. Its not really a threat. (Though thats unlikely in my state, nationally shrug)

I suspect by 2028 my state will be close or have rcv and third party work can begin. Shrug

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

No we're watching the same candidate. You're just willing to paper over a genocide for the other bits. And thats a you decision.

I, and many others were not okay with it. And that was our decision. Its not our responsibility to support a candidate just because the other candidate is a shit stain.

your candidate was the ones taking the risk. You dont get to demand peoples votes for a candidate or lay blame on others because of anothers candidates behavior.

You need votes to win which means convincing people to vote for your candidate. Harris definitely knew what the deal was and she made the decision to risk it. Trump also understood this, clearly better than Harris his campaign started courting that group immediately after she left them.

This conversation is done. you're not bringing anything new to the discussion. Accept the loss that harris received because she was unwilling to move on a genocide.

Learn from this from the next election: a candidate does not get to demand votes from people because the other candidate is trash, demand your candidate move to accept positions that dont conflict w/ yours. As an example i was more than willing to accept the border policy and firearms policy shifts. I was not okay with cheney, but i would have ignored it for a win. I was not okay with arming israel while a genocide was occurring, i was not okay with how she treated the arab Americans begging for help by her campaign.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

Oh it definitely is, for many a genocide is a genocide. You dont get to play the moral shades continuum once you reach that level of atrocity. So here we are.

You also need to realize that many states will be insulated from the worst of trump via our local government. So in reality life will go on for us, foreign policy will go to shit but shrug. Not much we can do there.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Pandemic was def part of it. People were actively dying as a result of trumps behavior.

Biden also tacked left a bit due to the fact warren/bernie had most of the votes in their camp during the primary.

It was a big part of his initial 'single term' promise. Which was due to pressure from the left wing that fine if we vote for you you're a single term pres.

He could have managed a 2nd term if he didnt genocide, didnt break the rail strikes, and maintained more mental agility than a potato. Unfortunately he was adamant on both those things. Then harris walked in and was all 'everything we did was beautiful! Vote harris!'

There was a collective sigh by people like me and most just checked out again and continued our local collective action support for each other. (This is why not having a primary is a huge downside for dems, removes the ability for us to build enthusiasm)

Some of us, the masochists, decided to try and raise the warning flags for Harris and friends that she was about to get fucked.

If the dnc eventually learns and gets a firebrand left wing to run that can strike the whistle just right not to scare most of the centrists you'll see those voters very quickly return. But thats predicted on dnc learning, which is unlikely alot of us right now who can are putting in the time to get rcv or its like passed so we can build a viable 3rd party.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

Her platform was not fine. The few policies she put forward were either limited to incredible minor subsets of the population (capping price of just insulin, a minor payput for first time how buyers in very limited areas, a tax cut that barely puts a dent in the rise of the cost of living due to inflation), or were things most states have already done themselves.

Not to mention speed running to the right. A genocide, etc.

The number of days was not the issue. It was her complete disregard for the plight of the middle class struggling on food/housing and arabs literally watching her and bidens admin murdering their families.

Never mind the fact that she was one of the individuals that was gaslighting americans over bidens mental decline.

She had plenty of time to plan her campaign if she hadnt been too busy gaslighting people.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

Most states with significant left populations already have abortion protected by law. See we do organize during the off years.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Seriously? My friend, we've been shouting for two months why peogressives weren't going to show up this election. This post isnfull of the reasons.

You'll need someone else to do the deep dive but:

  • genocidal support by harris/biden.
  • hard shift to the right on policy. Fucking cheney's.....
  • no working class policy positions that would actually be impactful. (Keeping khan, commiting to not breaking strikes, maybe some reforms of pto/sick leave/etc.)

Im not looking for any response to this. Its purely informational.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Because most of them were worth less than the bits than they were stored on. She never would have gotten them through congress. She just put them there. 🤷 You'll note the things she could have done unilaterally like end shipments to israel and commit to keeping kahn she flat out refused to do/support.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

have you bought their vpn service? ;)

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

All good friend.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

I dont need the economics courses but you might. The three basic things i listed are the three things people put before any other priorities. Please revisit your economy studies if you didnt recognize this. Your points about taxing billionaires dont matter until those three things are met for the voting population. And atm people are struggling with food (inflation), roofs (inflation, housing crisis), and fucking safety (muslims friends and family are literally being murdered by us).

So kindly before you think about lecturing people on economic policy of taxing billionaires make sure you understand wtf people are dealing with.

Because news flash: im all about taxing them and probably understand the 2nd/3rd order impacts of doing so better than you. But i also understand that such a policy wouldnt have shifted voters struggling with the first three issues.

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