queermunist

No, actually, I thought you were accusing me of taking your absurd argument to its logical conclusion. I didn't realize you were justifying why you are playing rhetorical games to say stupid shit like "cis men are going to transition to cheat in women's sports". It's nonsensical, it won't happen, anyone that tried would quit when their boobs started growing because gender dysphoria is real.

Gender dysphoria is torture. It's not a fun way to game the system and cheat at women's sports. The money and fame don't justify mutilating your body untill you want to die, especially in women's sports where there isn't a lot of money or fame to go around. Suggesting otherwise is basically saying that gender dysphoria isn't a big deal, that people would willingly do that to themselves for a minor advantage. It's inherently transphobic.

This isn't the absurd logical conclusion of letting trans women play sports, this is a transphobic misunderstanding of dysphoria.

Talking to you is self harm.

I am not advocating violence! Don't forget labor stoppages and organized boycotts and blockading highways/rails/ports and mass demonstrations in the cities, things that require us to be active but don't require mass violence. I'm not even against voting, but saying it's our only hope means waiting to die if they rig or cancel the elections.

Besides, I can't just run off as an individual and start the revolution by myself. Adventurism is bad. We need to be organized.

the only way out is voting

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Republicans are not behaving as if they believe they will face electoral consequences.

Hopefully that's because they're in a media bubble and think what they're doing is popular, not because they're going to rig or cancel the elections.

That says it's an "argumentative technique" and not a fallacy? I think it's a way to demonstrate the flaws of an argument.

It's also irrelevant because that's not even what I did. That's because:

Anyone can transition

Not just anyone can transition, a cis person who went through HRT and socially transitioned would give themselves gender dysphoria. Being trans is something inherent to trans individuals, it's not a trick used to game the system.

Furthermore, just because people’s intentions for transitioning now aren’t chiefly to obtain an advantage in a ball game doesn’t mean that they DON’T actually possess an advantage…

You specifically used the term "game the system" which directly implies someone who isn't trans faking their transition for an advantage in women sports. I don't see any other way to interpret this, and this is a transphobic idea because it completely trivializes gender dysphoria as something someone would willingly experiece for what is likely a very minor (or non-existent) advantage.

Although, again, I am not really making an argument that trans women wouldn't have an advantage in women's sports. They might! I'm not necessarily convinced that they definitely would, or that their advantage is greater than other genetic factors, or that sex segregation in sports is even the best way to divide the leagues. That has nothing to do with my problems with what you said.

I'm specifically taking issue with the idea that someone would use being trans as a trick to dominate women's sports. It's an absurd idea.

Your original claim was that trans people are “born” that way and i disagreed.

My claim is that being trans is something you're born as, it's not a trick people use to game the system. Your argument against it seems to be that, actually, anyone could cheat and transition for an advantage in women's sports. This necessarily implies cis men.

I honestly don't see where I'm misunderstanding you. I'm just laying out the logical conclusions of your "valid argumentative technique".

Speaking of valid argumentative technique! It seems reductio ad absurdum isn't a fallacy. It's a legitimate way to show the flaws in an argument, like pointing out people would fall off the edge if the world if it was flat.

I'm a moderate and believe in supporting the lesser of two evils, which means critical support for enemies of US imperialism. I'm also something of a centrist because I believe anarchists and Marxist-Leninists and other left tendencies all have good ideas.

So yeah, I'm a moderate centrist.

Democrats will surprise the hell out of me if they shut down the government. I'm all for it, but no way they actually do something.

Maybe those women will realize that fighting for the US is not actually in their best interests, and will use their training for something else.

Just a thought.

No one would ever do it and it's ridiculous and transphobic to suggest it. Do you think a cis man would actually choose to live like this for a possibly minor advantage in women's sports? It's a joke.

I'm sure someone might try, but once the realities of gender dysphoria sink in and their boobs start growing they'd realize it isn't worth transitioning to the wrong gender just to be able to dunk in the WNBA or whatever. I don't think you realize how fucking horrible it is for your body to mutate into a (WRONG HORRIBLE NO NO NO) form that you hate. No one would choose to live like that for what might ultimately be a very minor advantage. Stop entertaining that as a legitimate concern.

Whether we should segregate sports by sex instead of other considerations is a separate conversation that other people in this thread want to have, but that's besides the point I'm trying to make. I'm telling you, gender dysphoria isn't something someone would choose.

Gender dysphoria is real. Stop trivializing it.

That's irrelevant. Being trans isn't "gaming the system" it's just something you're born being. No one is going to transition for an advantage in a ball game and it's ridiculous to even suggest it.

Being trans is being born that way.