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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The theories are that its a mythic retelling of a legend that's an embellished version of something that basically 'kind of' happened, around the time of the Late Bronze Age Collapse, between the 13th and 12th centuries BCE.

The original date of it being first written down is somewhere in the 8th century BCE, so, yeah roughly 500 years of oral tradition untill then.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Is-the-Odyssey-a-True-Story

Schliemann’s findings and the continuing work of later archeologists seriously fueled theories of the historicity of the Trojan War, dated by later Greek authors to the 12th or 13th century bce. While the mere existence of Troy is not proof that the war was real, the discovery of arrowheads, signs of fire, and unburied bodies found in a layer corresponding to the 13th century bce indicates the possibility of battles having occurred.

Supporting evidence includes Hittite records mentioning warfare with Wilusa, their name for Troy. Some historians believe that a kingdom the Hittites called Ahhiyawa was really Achaea, or ancient Greece. Records suggest that sometime in the 13th century, Ahhiyawan forces were involved in a war against Wilusa, whose ruler, Aleksandu (very similar to Alexandros, a name for the Trojan prince Paris), requested military aid from the Hittites. Experts believe that a real conflict or a series of conflicts of some scale—either a struggle for political or commercial supremacy—inspired embellished accounts of the Trojan War.

So... taken in whole... the Odyssey is maybe roughly as actually historically accurate as... the Old Testament.

If your lense is 'is this legitimate history?'...

There are kernels of events that basically actually happened, and some important people who did something vaguely similar to what's described in the stories... around which is erected a grand mythic narrative featuring a great amount of totally fantastic and impossible nonsense, and many wholly fabricated characters and 'plot points'.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Schliemann dug straight through the actual Troy that he was looking for, destroying a huge chunk of it to get to an even earlier settlement in the strata beneath that he decided to call Troy. His "method" was essentially do dig a trench all the way to the bottom, assuming that the oldest level would be Troy. (Yes...he was that stupid).

It was only afterwards that other, actual archaeologists placed the proper stratum that the homeric Troy would have existed in. And by then, much of it was already obliterated.

I majored in Near Eastern Classical Archaeology with a focus on the Bronze age (Hittites, Minoans, Mycenaeans, Babylonians, etc...), and lesson one may as as well have been titled "Why Heinrich Schliemenn was an asshole."

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This is extremely true and worth saying as you have.

Yeah, I'm not an subject matter specialist? expert? as you are, but yeah... errybody hates Schliemenn, because his idiotic site practices very likely destroyed a whole lot of ... pretty important history.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm far from a specialist. Not only is my knowledge about 25 years or so out of date, I ended up leaving with half a year left on my degree because not only did a divorce make me unable to afford to continue, but some guys from the middle east crashed into the World Trade Center and ignited a war that shut down any actual archaeological work in the most of that part of the world for a decade or so.

So rather than specialist, I'm a guy that has 3.5 years of a 4 year Bachelor's degree, and then went off to take a bunch of computer certificates instead. lol.

Still regret never going back to finish it once the middle east settled down again.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

Well... middle east is never settling down again, in our lifetimes, so... best make your peace with it, if you can.

I still appreciate 3.5 years of out of date study.

3.5 more years than me!

[–] binux@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is an incredibly disingenuous reply so I'm not even going to do it the dignity of a fully-fleshed response.

All I need to say is that if you seriously read my comment as saying that the Odyssey is completely reliable history with little to no flaws or embellishments in its writing, then it sounds like you should take a course on media literacy.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

... Did I say that you said that?

No.

I did not.

I was adding general context to what you said, for general readers.

More people read comments than... just you.

Calm down.