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Sadly this math adds up. In my country those are public services. So no corporate greed is involved and no significat ammount goes to corruption or overpaid management.
Sadly this formula for example in daycare is true:
("Huge payment from us" x "number of kids") / " number of people getting paid" = "low number"
We usually just do not account for cooks, cleaners, janitors, administration in our intuition.
Yet somehow a struggling mom can take on babysitting as a gig and watch four kids a day by herself, for like $50 each. That includes cooking, cleaning, changing, and a smile on your kiddos face when they come home.
My sister does this. Shes the cook, cleaner, janitor, and administration.
I think part of the problem is also the fact that entrepreneurial types have convinced us that the necessary architecture for a successful business also happens to be the architecture which makes us give up most of our proceeds.
You are capable and can make a difference by yourself. You don’t need them.
True facts. The "missing" money in the equation is all the boring expensive stuff, and those who benefit from those expenses love how obscure they are. Rent, utilities, property upkeep, property taxes, legal, administration (bookkeeping, compliance), insurance (child safety/liability is a convenient excuse for sky-high premiums).
We need to make it far easier for people to operate businesses out of their homes. So many of these costs disappear if you can use the structure you already have to pay for.
We had those for child care. Then government added additional regulations for safety after some incidents, and a lot of them quit because the additional costs made it not worth it anymore. Now the government complains about a shortage of child care places.
It's a hard problem. It's also what prevents meaningful criminal justice reform. Some people just have a very hard time accepting that bad things are going to happen. If you make the justice system less punitive, yes, you're going to get some number of extra crimes, as some people who should have stayed locked up will be freed. People have a very hard time grasping the concept that you need to do a cost benefit analysis for any policy. Sure, criminal justice reform will result in some small number of additional crime victims, but it will prevent orders of magnitude more people from being victimized by overly punitive laws and extreme jail sentences.
My state has a framework for at-home daycare operations, but good luck finding one that's not already at capacity. I've heard of other states scrapping their programs or not creating one to begin with, citing imagined "potential for abuse".
It's always easier to just sit on your hands instead of improving things, and "think of the children" does an insane amount of heavy lifting while managing to hurt the very children and families it claims to protect.
Yeah people fall for it. Hell, look at the mass downvoting of my comment here.
I'm a leftist myself, but folks on the left are just as vulnerable to knee jerk reactionary thinking as conservatives. They see someone saying that regulations can be bad, and their mind immediately jumps to the conclusion, "THIS PERSON MUST BE A REPUBLICAN!!!" and all thought ceases.
Regulations can just as easily be a tool of big business as they are a tool to protect the public. And the easiest way for governments to take away people's rights or for big business to stifle competition via regulation is "think of the children."
Concerning you did not list educator in her tasks, and instead focused on the least important aspects of “childcare”.
Children shouldn’t be a business model, but proper ECE is vital at that age where they learn more than any other time in their life.
I work for a non-profit, and assuming your $50 is American we would charge about $75 and with that comes along with a team of professionals who have studied how to do all this and can support each other and the children’s development while minimising risks.
Sure, I’m not saying that it meets every need prescribed to kids in our modern enlightened era. $25 extra a day (or rather, $500 extra a month) doesn’t sound like much for the professionalism, the standardized and trusted procedures, and the army of workers available to meet your kids needs.
Most daycare centers in my area don’t have a curriculum, they’re for profit, and the online reviews are utter trash. My sister worked for one and has plenty of stories about staff members cursing around children, being rude to them, … the whole “I just work here” treatment.
My sister isn’t a licensed educator, so I won’t be saying she educates the kids. She does play with them, though. They are learning more than they otherwise would; probably would be cooped up in a grandparents house with their tablet or something. Who knows? But she wouldn’t have customers if there wasn’t a problem.
Assuming a 9hr work day to cover another persons workday... Likely closer to 10hr due to commute... but I wouldn't know.
200/9hr=22/hr
BSing utils at 300/mo is a mere 0.40/hr
BSing rent/mortgage at 1200/MO is 1.64/hr
So basically she's getting $20/hr assuming she does all 3 jobs just within that 9hr.
Not terrible but it does raise more questions and definitely doesn't scale well. Like presumably these are older kids that can be ignored while cooking and cleaning or that 9hr estimate is low.... And prob isn't carrying insurance for this? Doesn't include additional supplies - anything from extra paper towels to defibs. And utils, rent/mortgage is quite possibly off considerably...
Comparing someone doing it out their house vs an actual business is always going to be silly.
E: Oof... Lunch and snack.. each kid prob consumes $4 in food... 16/9... pushing down to 18/hr.
There’s absolutely tradeoffs. Yet, the parents that take their kids to my sister have a different kind of tradeoff: don’t go to work, or find affordable childcare. My sister winds up in this halfway point, servicing those people.
It’s true she doesn’t stock a defib. She watches those kids well enough, though, and has a cell phone to call 911 in case of emergency.
It’s not the picture perfect setup. It is making sure plenty of families can continue putting food on their table, though. Sometimes that’s what’s important (imo).
It doesn’t scale. But, you could have a lot of nonscalable businesses — a “gig economy” as they call it. A gig economy can scale even if the independent pieces don’t.
As counterpoint, I know at least a couple home daycares, which were more convenient and less expensive for their customers but:
I’m more confident that a larger daycare at least has someone actively watching and comply with health mandates
Yeah, I don’t really disagree.
We could have nice things, but logistically it’s not feasible at an affordable cost. So a gig economy steps up to fill those gaps. Yes, that comes with risks. You will find horror stories, they’re valid. Nonetheless, this is closer to how childcare had been done for centuries. It’s a regression from the modern liberal way, but it certainly isn’t unfamiliar.
In a sense, you can say trust has replaced expense. Pay less, require more trust. In fairness, my sister knows her clients pretty well. She’s not running ads or anything like that.
What would be more ideal is if the state could partner with gig workers to ensure adequate resources. Perhaps there’s a way to redraw the lines here, so that we don’t find ourselves in a situation where you work to afford childcare and are otherwise broke. That’s also not a way to live.
So true. When we had our second kid, we found the cost of daycare for two younger ones was approaching her salary as a teacher. That’s ridiculous. Luckily I made enough to support us and she always said she didn’t mind staying home to care for them, but most people probably can’t afford that
Yes there are tradeoffs.
Your "yet somehow a struggling mother can take on babysitting" is wholly because of these tradeoffs.. and depending on specifics, may be getting paid less than minimum wage.
She effectively is operating in the gig economy. That's a whole can of worms itself.