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How hard is it to not groom kids guys
It's kind of surprising that neither of them was a billionaire.
Have you seen kids? Theyre begging for it!
Hard, heavy /s
It's ok to not be sarcastic about some things
It's ok to be sarcastic about anything. Guess what, it's called freedom of speech. https://blog.freespeechextremist.com/blog/what-is-freedom-of-speech.html
Nobody's censoring you dude, criticism of your speech is also free speech
Yeah dumbass, it's also freedom to be criticized for saying stupid shit. Talk about missing the forest through the trees.
Yeah, and I'm not saying or implying that he's not in his right to think or say that, I'm just exercising my fucking right to respond to him and criticize his position with fundamentals. After all, by saying that something is intrinsically bad, you are at the same time making a normative statement about what you think it should be; and that normative statement something I disagree with because, if it is done and / or made law, it contravenes freedom of expression; and I can name examples of real life, such as my own country (Venezuela), or others like Argentina (both before Milei and with Milei), Russia, Ukraine, the United States, Canada, Australia, China, Spain, NorKorea, etc., where that, for having been included in the law, has caused very serious human rights problems. And I know it may seem like I'm doing a slippery slope fallacy, but no, because the problem is, who decides the cutting point? Who decides where the limits of what can and cannot be said? Any limit is arbitrary and as such any attempt to regulate it is also arbitrary and highly prone to totalitarianism, populism and chauvinism, just as in these countries (which, curiously, have also started with seemingly innocent things like this); think, it is the same as with the EU's anti-privacy movements; the declared objective is, in principle, commendable, but once they already have the legal infrastructure, they just have to change the objective to something absolutely unacceptable (like quiet dissidents) and we can do nothing. Like this or more fucking clear?
Regardless of freedom of speech, sometimes it's better to say nothing than to say something fucking stupid.
Yeah, just as these mononeuronal dumbasses that replied me with their bullshit
Yeah, there's no way that I'm reading that wall of text after your initial comment. You also have a right to not speak. Maybe you should exercise it.
No, I shouldn't. Now that I'm proving my point you don't want to read? Fucking coward.
Lol sorry I have better things to do with my time than read a diatribe from someone I have no respect for. Bye.
If the best argument you can bring for your point is that it is literally not forbidden to say it, maybe do everybody else a favour and just shut up.
Freedom of speech is important, but not a good argument enhancer.
It's not the best, just the fastest.
It simply does no harm to anyone in any way verifiable or demonstrable, either directly or indirectly, therefore it cannot be considered a bad thing.
In this example, the allegations here stem from inappropriate contact with minors in the age range of 15 to 17 years in a NSFW Discord server.
The problem is that in cases such as this, they’re not children so much as not yet adults. “Teenagers” used to be the common parlance for this age group and they are particularly interested in sexuality, while not having the cognitive tools or maturity to recognize or protect themselves from actual adults that will sexually abuse them.
The major issue in conflating “children” with “teenagers” is that these are distinct developmental periods in which the latter will literally beg for sex from adults who should not be involved in it with them. This is why we moderate and protect the sexuality of this age group - to mitigate the bad decisions that result from an intensely hormonal developmental period paired with increased cognitive and social liberty.
Teenagers are horny, and as such they need additional protections from people like groomy 20-something game devs. But infantilization that seeks to erase teenage sexuality and autonomy does nothing to protect them.
That's what she said
A certain unknowable % of the population is afflicted with pedophilia.
If you give a random person enough power (money/authority/prestige/etc.) to take advantage of children, there is approximately that same % chance of them exploiting that power, minus whatever fear they have of consequences.
Parents, please monitor your children's social media. If you're too busy, don't let them be on social media. They might face a bit of social stigma for not being on the latest brainrot app, but it's better than them being in the DMs of their favorite video game creators.
I think that's a partially false equivalence. Acting on those feelings would require that you be OK with harming another person, and a child, no less. Most people aren't. The overlap comes from the fact that the rich and powerful often are, because that's how they got rich a powerful.
But the same way a normal person can be attracted to adults, but have no desire to rape, most pedofiles will have no desire to hurt anyone. (That, not the law, is why I think it's so rare).
Not hurting anyone and respecting consent is the easiest thing ever. Have you ever be so horny you'd fail at those things? I haven't. And I am a VERY horny person.
Nothing about pedofilia changes that part of how human self-determination works.
You only get the worst of the worst when the type of person that would rape, overlaps with pedofilia. The ones that act on it, DO choose. They are the literal worst among us.
THE most dangerous part of Roblox. The child dev studios led by adults are fucking horrifying. "Developers" becoming well-known Roblox game creators has given credibility to some absolutely horrible people to be around kids in ways that should never have been allowed.
And Roblox basically enables it with their Roblox -> Private Discord integration.
Because these child-labour powered "dev studios" is how they get their freaking games!
Also, many child molesters aren't even specifically attracted to children. These types commit their crimes because children can be easier targets than adults at times.
Yeah I admit my comment didn't get into the nuance of "pedophile" versus "child sex predator" and thus has gaps to fill, but one can only spend so much time on the internet.
Plus I'm used to Reddit (and other, more normie spaces) where making that distinction tends to bring on pedophile accusations.
The easiest way to climb to the top is over other people's backs.
IIRC the majority of child molesters are non-pedophilic in the clinical sense and I'd imagine this is even more true for post-pubescent minors. Additionally there have been neurological findings that differentiate offending vs non-offending pedophiles, mostly to do with risk-taking behaviors (as in, pedophiles that are generally risk-avoidant are also less likely to offend). So just being a pedophile might not be as strong of a prognostic factor for predicting abuse as one would think.
Yeah I admit my comment didn't get into the nuance of "pedophile" versus "child sex predator" and thus has gaps to fill, but one can only spend so much time on the internet.
I mean the Epstein class made sure the CIA and G7 only captured child rapists below a certain income.
I suspect the exclusivity is part of why they enjoy it. See POTUS's handwritten letter to Epstein on his birthday.
The Epstein class would much rather stay out of the reach of the law even if it means some of their cohorts get away with rape.
I bet thats why Elon Musk was so angry. He wasn’t exclusive enough to be a part of the Epstein class so he’s making up for it by supporting Trump.
Imagine being left out of the sexual predator club and being upset about it.
It goes up with money and power. Why else is literally every single billionaire a pedophile?
If you're a politician, or for a regular person?
Hasnt the minecraft-type community (and i'd consider terraria a minecraft-type game. 2d, side scroller, and arcadey yes, but still a minecraft-type) always had a problem with people being creepy towards kids?
Has it? Genuine question here. I feel like you cant make that kind of statement without backing it with some kind of evidence.
I'm not the original guy you asked and I'm not presenting any genuine evidence, but it isn't so much that the games are causing groomers to appear because they lack community guidelines or terms of service or are outwardly open to letting anyone play. No, it's more so that these games are insanely popular among children and the pedos are chasing after the kids wherever they happen to coalesce. It could be Minecraft or Roblox, it could even be something like TF2 or Quake or even Microsoft Flight Simulator. The game itself doesn't matter, what matters is that they're on the prowl for kids and will follow them wherever they go and try to talk to them however they can
Yeah you see that kinda thing in other professions too. It's why there are so many predators in the Catholic Church. It gives people power and access to kids/vulnerable people. Combine that with the catholic church's aversion to dealing with these issues publicly and you have a honeypot for predators
More like I keep hearing about incidents and it blows my mind every time because being so douchy doesn't normally occur to me.
Terraria isn't really a community type game. It's way different than what minecraft became, or Roblox.
Regardless. You're taking my quip about all the pedo politicians too seriously.
People don't talk about it because it's a very sensitive subject, but apparently very difficult for a large percentage of the population. :(