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[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 42 points 5 days ago (2 children)

why do we call green grapes white

[–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 30 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

Or purple grapes red?

(I'm guessing due to the type of wine they make)

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Don't even get me started on 'white' people.

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Meanwhile stupid USians subscribe to the literal 19th-century ‘scientific racism’ theory that has ‘Caucasian people’ as something other than deeply tan skin that Caucasian people actually have.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They also don't look at the last half of the word too closely.

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

You mean the word ‘Caucasian‘? Sorry, but that's probably unrelated to ‘Asia’. Folk etymology is fun, but always falls apart in practice.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Half the Caucasus mountains are in asia.

What Caucasus are you on about?

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They mean etymologically. Asians are from Asia, not "Asus".

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Then i must point out 'caucasian' ends in 'asian', as that is where this began.

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Point away, you completely missed mine. "Caucasian" means "from the Caucasus", "Asian" means "from Asia". It's a coincidence that "Caucasian" has the word "Asian" in it, they're not from the same root words. Otherwise, either Asia would be called Asus or the Caucasus would be called the Caucasia. Look up the word "etymology", I don't think you understand the concept.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The Caucasus is half in asia.

So if we are being most pedantic, then 'being from the Caucasus region' does not indicate if you are from asia or not.

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

I'm not debating that, because it has nothing to do with whether the words Caucasus and Asia have the same origin, which they objectively, pedantically, do not. Caucasus derives from Scythian language, whereas "Asia" comes from the Hittite language.

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

USian brain on display, ladies and gentlemen.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Well Caucasian wouldnt be nearly as impactful as a word if it weren't for the USA.

Most of it's use comes from the creation of a 'white race' for use in politics/law/oppression/dehumanization.

And when that stuff began, remember the Italians, Irish, and many other now 'white' people were not considered 'white'. So being called European was out. Had to try and find a word that excluded the mediteranian peoples, since the bulk of wealth and power were mainly English, French, Germanic, and Dutch.

Note: and the people mainly responsible for the caucasian misnomering were not from Scandanavia and had yet to conflate 'white supremacy' with Aryans. And thus yet to describe ideal Aryans using Scandanavian features.

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Wrong again, US boy. ‘Caucasian’ actually included most of Asia, since ‘Mongoloid’ only properly described East-Asians like the Chinese, Mongols, Siberian natives etc. Indians and Arabs (i.e.Aryans) were included in ‘Caucasians’, although the definition was debated.

Also, the ‘scientific racism’ theory was thought up at the University of Göttingen in Germany, when the US was just a few years old.

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

So you're implying that Middle Persian '*Kaf kōf' is halfway the same as Mycenaean Greek 𐀀𐀯𐀹𐀊 'a-si-wi-ja' or /⁠aswijaː⁠/? Do you have any evidence to support your claim?

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Table grapes have learned from the chameleon.

[–] anewfox@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 days ago

when i say "red grapes," i'm always referring to the ones that are actually red because they have the most satisfying snap when you eat them.

[–] hanke@feddit.nu 8 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Who calls green grapes white..?

Never heard that happen

[–] anewfox@lemmy.zip 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

two examples: white wine, white grape juice. both are very common. seems to refer to the juice color, not the color of the grape skins.

when they're made into raisins, they're called golden raisins. so "white" isn't even the only one.

[–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Might be different in other languages, but English usually divides grapes into red and white for color.

[–] HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Equinox1289@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago (2 children)
[–] HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 days ago

Pink balls

We're talking about grapes?

[–] phar@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

That's only because the wine is whitish. Nobody calls the grapes themselves white. And she squeeze the juice out the juice isn't the same color as the skin. I've never heard anyone refer a grapes as white grapes

[–] GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

In English, grapes are green or red.

Wine is not a grape. White wine and red wine refers to the color of the wine. Nobody calls vodka golden because it came from a potato.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Which part of the world are you from? I'm in Canada, and we call them green grapes and red grapes

https://www.safeway.com/shop/aisles/fruits-vegetables/fresh-fruits/grapes.html?sort=&page=1&loc=3132

Meanwhile Wikipedia notes '"Black" (dark blue) and "white" (light green) table grapes'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grape

[–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

US. When I go to my local grocery store, they're categorized under white or red.

At least for white, that is indeed how the English Wikipedia classifies different grape cultivars, even ones that aren't intended to make wine. Black is new to me though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultana_(grape)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almeria_(grape)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italia_(grape)

Might just be that my grocery store is real local and they do it differently. I try to avoid large chains. But I've always understood white and red to be the technical classifiers of grapes, and the actual color you see with your eyes varies.

I'm also from a wine-producing region, so maybe that has something to do with it as well.

[–] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 3 points 5 days ago

Never heard about green grapes. Here in Germany they are called "white grapes" and EN-Wikipedia is also calling them that in english. We are also talking it "white wine" and so on.