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celebs should never ever be taken seriously when it comes to any other matter than the one they actually excel at, be it football or acting etc.
No I dont want a fucking actor, raised by actors, isolated from society telling me how to vote or what to think about economics. Same goes for footballers. These people are not normal in any sense of the word nor do they have any understanding of the world they live in so sheltered.
This isn't generally true of footballers, lots of them come from normal working class families and have an idea of what life is like for average people.
See Marcus Rashford for one, he is so passionate about tacking poverty because he lived through it, and he isn't an anomaly, there are so many footballers that grew up in rough circumstances past and present.
On the other hand they've pretty much all been in professional football from their teens and not had to deal with any of these things in adult life first hand.
And that's why I said they have an idea of what life is like for the average person i.e. their parents and families. which is a lot more than what the original commenter was giving them credit for.
I partly disagree with this.
Footballers are ordinary people like you and me and therefore their opinions on anything have as much value as any. Anyone can be passionate about something regardless of their job, status or wealth.
Whether you choose to value their individual opinion is up to you but to blanket disregard something someone who isn’t an expert in is wrong imo.
You should generally be coming at it the other way and valuing an experts opinion in higher regard.
Fully agree with you. Rashford's work in particular showed how public figures can enact real change around bigger issues beyond football.
If anything, Henderson's situation highlights how fine the line is between activisim and virtue signaling.
Its easy to put out a statement in support of something with nothing on the line. If Hendo truly cared, he wouldnt have taken the job.
I have family members that are gay, and I would never get in bed with Saudi as it would destroy my relationship with them. Having said that, Ive never had millions waved in front of my face, so who knows if I would really stick by my morals.
But imagine growing up as a queer Liverpool fan from Liverpool from a city where the rest of the country/media and politicians ostracise us from everyone and don’t welcome us anyways. And then imagine two of the only men you have been able to trust and idolise throughout your life who have always said they support you and will stand up for you just abandoning you for money.
Will make to remember that… until a celebrity shares my view on any topic
But yet they have immense influence and use it to try and take serious stances, sometimes with success. I agree with you they're terrible role models but the problem is they don't know how to shut up about things they're clueless about
Mhh
Agree. Fans (peasants) wants celebrities to stand up for them, no matter what the political view is, and when they mess up they get all mad. No shit, theyre celebrities. Not politicians or activists.
You say this as though politicians and activists represent the best interests of the public
That's why politicians are held accountable or should be held accountable and take responsibility or judged for their actions/beliefs.
That is the basic notion of politics. Politicians don't have, should be allowed to have, or not be judged when they do have a free will when it cones to how they represent publics interests.
Unfortunately most political spheres are corrupt, to varying degrees.
I generally agree with you but just playing devil's advocate, I think Rashford used his voice and position well to make good effective change.
Rashford is different because he put his money where his mouth is and helped a lot of people in the process. What the fuck did Henderson ever actually do for the LGBTQ+ community?
That just means you agree with him this time. Doesn’t change the basic principle
Rashford has also stopped doing most of that since he changed his PR agency.
I don’t even mean it as banter, but Marcus Rashford excels at Philanthropy as much as he does Football. No devil’s advocate about it.
I’d listen to Peter Cech’s opinion on hockey and drumming. You can be knowledgeable in more than one field.
You can, but you need to prove it by showing your know knowledge in said field. In that case, you listen to someone talking about hockey that happens to be a successful footballer, not because he's a successful footballer
I don't know Cech outside of football, but I'm assuming the reason you and others (in particular, hockey people and drummers) listen to him on those topics and found it to make sense. Yes, without him being a successful footballer you'd never heard about him, but he still needed to prove himself on that
Then you also have the obvious that having certain issues in some issues raises your commercial value to a degree that hockey and drumming don't
Cech is a semi professional hockey player and an accomplished drummer
There you have it, you listen to him on those topics because of that. His famous because of his football merits but his opinions on those topics matter because of what you pointed out
I'd argue there's no devil's advocate about celebs actually putting money towards good causes, compared to people just saying words to please the currently politically approved positon.
Yes but his message was 'feed hungry children' not exactly a complex political or economic argument like the OP mentioned.
There's definitely positive examples yes. But by golly are they rare and mostly something we can only judge on the surface. Geniunely appreciate Rashys work a lot but I'm saddened he even has to do that level of advocating for such a no brainer
Yeah you'd think starving children = bad is a fairly easy position for all of us to get behind.
But Tories gonna Tory.
Wasn't there a Tory who grew up on free lunches and decided to remove the ladder once he reached the top?
Several.
It's because they're cunts.
That's why university fees exist aswell.
Tories: "We have to leave the EU to take care of our own."
Starving British kids: "So does that mean we'll finally have food?"
Tories: "Eww, no, fuck off."
When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist. - Hélder Câmara
Mom can I have Brexit?
To provide food for starving children?
Yeeeees
Actually dismantles NHS like a boss
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/7BCA/production/_99609613_8e5e3cfe-4bfe-407a-85d8-4f9526cb0670.jpg
Entire leave campaign should be in prison for treason. It wasn't up for debate whether the country would be worse off economically, it was a fact, one which every credible economist confirmed.
The greatest victory of the populist right wing over the last 20 years has beento equate being told things about certain topics by someone with experience and knowledge in the field with being called a racist/idiot
Just when I think the rage I have over Brexit subsides this image brings it right back. Thank you very much
Depends if you think it's the government's job to feed kids or their parents. 13 years of Labour government seemed to think it was the latter. As did Labour and SNP administrations in Wales and Scotland until they saw opportunities to look good.
This is hugely simplistic and you don't understand the issue. It's more about the level of control that a government has over the people and the liberties offered to them
I agree, but I also think their is an astronomical difference between "Saying something" and "Doing something".
I mean... until pretty recently we'd have said the same about Jordan Henderson....
Rashford has also said absolutely nothing about Mason Greenwood coming back and it would have totally happened were it not for fans and staff revolting. So he's not some paragon of virtue either
There’s a difference between philanthropic work and speaking about topics you shouldn’t. Rashford was philanthropic work while Brad Pitt on climate change is just nonsense.
“Excel” is an overstatement for Jordan Henderson. Dude was my team’s captain for 10 years but I couldn’t resist
I'd normally agree however a lot of footballers don't come from prestigious backgrounds. Jordan or certainly a lot of his colleagues would come from a hugely diverse background. The one area he could have a voice is diversity. He championed a positive stance for many years and this move showed the world his diversity values were paper bill then.
I think footballers can be an exception because usually they're people who were raised in a working class family and have seen their family struggle, so they usually will have a bit of life experience. Different from all the nepo-babies in the music and film industry