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If they win they will proceed to pave the way for the next version of trump
What did you guys do to stop Trump? Throw some soup on the Mona Lisa?
What's the alternative? Voting for the next version of Trump directly? I'm all for changing our system, but as it stands the only real viable options are team Trump, and Team Mightnotdoenough. I am not thrilled with the latter either, but it seems less than ideal to let the perfect be the enemy of the less bad.
Agreed. Don't get me wrong: the second these midterms are over I'm going full steam on pushing to reform Democrats away from the Schumers and Fettermans and so on. But until then, we gotta get as many of these Republicans out of office..
Right. Team red managed to realign under a set of shared values. Those values are fucking awful, but they did it. No reason we can't too, with hopefully better values - though it would be hard to do worse.
After decades of failure you would think democrats would start to lose faith in the idea of reform. There is no reforming a system thats working exactly as designed,and they have safeguards in place to prevent structural change
Just gonna point out that the proto-maga IE the Tea Party dipshits have their roots in things like the 90s rightwing militia movement and they arguably didn't gain full control of the Republican party until 2016 IMO even if they were a massive faction. Hell historically the faction that would evolve into the New Deal Democrats had its roots in various 1800s labor movements and didn't get to notability until the 1930s same general deal for the Square Deal Republicans just a bit earlier.
Reform of this scale takes ages since you basically need to reach a saturation point, which basically requires constant pressure a bit like an inline fuel filter if the pressure stops the filter drys up. But I have noticed change since 2016 more specifically with younger libs who I wouldn't call economic progressives by any means being supportive of things like universal healthcare, expansion of welfare, demilitarization, and shrinking the police state. The problem is we have probably only reached 25 percent saturation at best, which means unless people get real comfortable with a lot of murder of the old guard it's gonna take awhile still to see active improvement.
Tea Party was not an organic movement. It was an intentional shift to move the entire country to the right. As the Republicans move further to the right, it allowed Democrats to move further to the right with them. And the same thing is happening with Trump right now. As the GOP moves further to the right, the DNC will be in lockstep right behind them.
Regardless of it being inorganic it still took time for the process to work. My point was just to do with the timescales of these things, arguably the biggest hint of the Tea Party being inorganic was that it took a short period of time relative to say the New Dealers or Square Dealers who both took about 40 years to establish. Mind you social media tends to accelerate things but expecting instant change is a tad bit foolish, especially when we have to push a boiler up a hill the entire time.
Its those same democrats you are supporting that will give us the next version of Trump.
That response seems to be functionally identical to the one I responded to already. Am I missing something?
Dude wants trump, he just doesn't want to admit it. So he's framing it as "if we don't reelect trump the Democrats will give us trump and that's bad"
I don't want Trump any more than you do, but it's Democrats that have given us Trump both times. By failing to address the material needs of the working class and as the RNC continues to move further to the right the DNC will be in lockstep behind them
Not helping.
Neither are democrats
Look out they logged into their alt account!
What a stupendously ridiculous comment. I’m not sure if you are an underpaid troll or your mind genuinely fell right out of your head.
If the new candidates from DSA don't distance themselves from the establishment; and instead they compromise their positions in order to push forward symbolic legislation that does nothing, yeah, I'm afraid you might be right.
It is honestly better we have these DSA candidates continue to be seen as outsiders in the house and Senate and ride off the accomplishments of state DSA executives like Mamdani.
It's better to enter the 2028 election with little association with the current democratic party establishment. And point to the success of local DSA candidates. Then we can truly have a hostile takeover of the party with a strong presidential candidate and state wide representatives. Which right now, looks like it's AoC or nothing. It's really the only path I see that would make you incorrect.
And Angie Nixon winning in Florida would really light the path to that being something that is actually accomplishable. If she wins. I will have more hope for this country than I have ever had.
If she doesn't. Well, I will keep trying. At least until I'm taken to a camp.
A bit soon for that. The next Trump will arrive in the 2040s.
If another neoliberal democrat gets elected in 2028. The "next Trump" will be president in 2032.
Yes, but there still needs to be a good amount of time for people to move on from Trump and support what comes next. For example, I see the next Trump being far more brutal - they'll view TACO'ing out as a sign of weakness, and seek to correct Trump's mistakes by murdering everyone who won't bend the knee.
Take the whole E Jean Carroll thing, for instance. Right now, it's all tied up in court. The next Trump, I predict, would opt to have some people disappear E Jean Carroll. Maybe shoot some of the judges who ruled against the next Trump, too. And then, the replacement judge will rule that the next Trump did nothing wrong while a heavily armed trooper holds a gun to the judge's head.
Pretty sure that's what we have to look forward to in the next few decades.