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Nick Sirianni - hard to knock him. Very successful.
Brandon Staley - ass.
Dan Campbell - I’m a bit more critical of Dan than most on r/nfl. I like his aggression, but I think they struck lightning by getting Ben Johnson and it’s unlikely to repeat when he becomes a HC. I think we start to see him falter once that happens and he eventually loses r/nfl’s undying support.
Arthur Smith - his teams have overperformed with him, however, I can see them moving on after this rough year. Cool offensive scheme, done a good job covering up gaps at QB, but it confuses me that he refuses to use any of his top 10 pick skill position players. Kyle Pitts and Bijan Robinson not producing more at this point is… just weird.
Robert Saleh - absolutely a victim of his organization. He’s proven more than I gave him credit for in SF that he can build an elite defense and bring out the most in guys on that side of the ball. The Rodgers trade was a good idea but my god every decision the FO made after that was terrible. Cook is washed, all of Rodgers’ friends are bad at football, and Hackett at OC is a joke. They set Saleh up to fail and didn’t get a QB after Rodgers was immediately.
Ultimately Saleh might be around the 15-20th best HC in the league, but he’s being sandbagged by Joe Douglass and the owner into looking worse.
Urban Meyer - Bobby Petrino type of bad.
David Culley - elite fall guy.
Smith’s teams are no longer over performing given the weakness of the NFCS
Idk how you can point out how stupid his refusal to use talented offensive players is while saying his scheme is cool and covering up a lack of talent. His “cool scheme” gets Jonnu Smith and Tyler Allgeier more touches than Pitts and Bijan. That’s just asinine
Bijan has more touches, Pitts and Jonnu have the same amount. Idk why casuals say he "doesn't use his guys" like they should give Bijan 350 touches in a non-SB contending year. Just run the guy into the ground why not
Right, but this is a 3 year sample size I’m talking about.
I feel like I said everything you’re saying already in my own post, yet you’re arguing with me about it. As if I didn’t say just that.
I think your point about Campbell is a bad one. Of course, Ben Johnson is excellent. Who hired him? Campbell. He moved on from and hired Ben Johnson after keeping him on staff after Patricia was fired.
An absolutely critical part of being a HC is hiring staff. Can’t take that away from Campbell. Johnson deserves credit for the offense and that’s it. We have no idea what he’ll do as a head coach. Campbell has done a great job with Detroit and deserves the credit I think you’re withholding.
Yes. Credit to Dan Campbell for hiring Ben Johnson. It’s absolutely a notch in his belt that he hired Ben Johnson.
THAT DOES NOT MEAN HE IS GOING TO GET A BEN JOHNSON EVERY TIME HE HIRES SOMEONE.
Credit to Dan Quinn for hiring Kyle Shannahan to be his OC for the Falcons. That does not mean he will get Kyle Shannahan 2.0 when Kyle Shannahan eventually moves on to the 49ers.
Credit to Sean McDermott for hiring Brian Daboll. That does not mean the next guy he hires is Brian Daboll 2.0.
Credit to Mike Vrabel for hiring Arthur Smith. That does not mean the next guy he hires is Arthur Smith 2.0.
Yes, hiring a great staff is a skill. However, even if you’re great at it, you probably won’t be able to sustain it. There’s not enough great coaches available to do that. All of these HCs have proven they can make the right hire, but they haven’t proven they can do it over and over and over again as their OCs get poached.
The fuck is the point of this? He hasn’t even lost Ben Johnson yet. Plus he’s taken a losing ass culture and made it something fun. We have no idea what he will or won’t sustain over time. You’re just not giving him credit for what he’s done there no when no one has been able to do it so far
Congrats to him for doing well. Doesn’t really change my stance. There’s no reason to get so offended over this lukewarm opinion.
Dude you’re the one getting all pissy that some people are disagreeing lol
It's okay bro. People here can't think more than a minute into the future much less years. I agree with you.
Ben Johnson was actually hired by Matt Patricia. Thankfully MCDC decided to keep him on.
Right I still think it’s good he kept him on staff if he thought he was a good addition.
I honestly think Meyer is worse than Petrino and it’s not super close. Yes Petrino is obviously scummy yet he got legitimate bad roster luck and just checked out. Meyer was historically bad with reasonable talent, didn’t ever lose the locker room as he never even had it to with, has a long list of gaffes directly related to his coaching ability (being unprepared, kicking the kicker, having a meeting where he asked all his assistants to defend their resumes and proclaimed himself a “winner”, and bought an extra day before meeting with the team after he was caught dancing after losing the Cinci game). Plus another coach stepped in the next year and made the playoffs.