Yup, that is where I also use AI for. The boring stuff. Clicking on repeat for 3 hours and then it turns out you made a mistake and need to do it all over again. No thanks.

The creative things I do myself.

I think that's perfectly reasonable, just review the script first for anything that might break your pc.

is that worth all the damage it’s causing? for a bit of middling entertainment?

No, it's not. But the damage is already done, and will be done regardless of anything I do. For the sake of argument, let's say I do stop using ai altogether. There will always be something that I'm not doing good enough to some people, one of my favorite examples is eating meat. It's delicious, and the vegans can kiss my ass. I still shop from amazon, other options are not practical. I work for a company that supports republican politicians, I have to pay rent somehow. I could continue.

think about the company you keep bro. altman? musk? amodei? trump?

I'm not keeping that kind of company. I have repeatedly and loudly insisted that those people deserve prison at best. The ai platform I currently use is not associated with any of the big ai companies, and I intend to switch to self hosting in the near future.

Something you should understand is that shit sucks. And sometimes, you can benefit from shit sucking. Taking advantage of shit sucking does not invalidate demands to make it not suck. I haven't said much about my disdain for the environmental impacts because on the subject of the environmental impact I agree with the neverslop side, but at the same time what the fuck am I supposed to do about it?

Here's an example for you. Recently, a friend of mine was involved in a car crash. Based on how the cars ended up, it looked like my friend was at fault. However, a flock camera caught the other party speeding into the intersection where the collision happened. Flock is a product of evil and needs to not exist, but between now and then we can sometimes take advantage of it.

The AI discourse is rather pointless when you see how much people are willing to bend their own opinions. So that it’s always in the right, and one step further is the sloppery slope to hell

yup, guilty of that myself.

As you mentioned. Look at the Linux communities. Before Linus came out in support it was “Microslop” this “vibe coded OS” that. And now suddenly, AI is actually a good thing.

Both things are true. Linus has a proven track record of being good at his job and knowing what he's talking about. Microsoft has a proven track record of producing shit, and making their products worse. Giving them ai just makes them do what they were already doing faster. Linus speaking out didn't change my opinion on the matter, it only confirmed the current iteration of my opinions on ai that I've been slowly developing over the past few years.

Or G*mers. On the one hand they’re complaining about AI games being sold on Steam. But on the other hand they’ll also defend Steam selling AI games. But on the other hand complain when Epic sells AI games. And then on the other hand they’ll praise AI piracy and emulators.

Gamers as a collective are fucking morons. That aside, I don't hold all developers to the same standard. A solo dev with no funding is not the same as a 200 man team with the backing of a multi billion dollar publisher. Holding them both to the same standards is asinine. So if the next GTA/Elder Scrolls/Call of Duty/Final Fantasy/Whatever has vibe code or slop assets, gamers are absolutely right to rake those studios over the coals. They have the money to pay for programmers and artists. There is no excuse.

On the other hand, our nameless ideal solo dev who's struggling to so much as pay rent, fuckit go nuts. Vibe code the whole thing, slop out the assets, whatever. Just review the damn code, and curate the assets. If the project has any creative passion whatsoever, that will come through in how the slop is put together. I see using ai assets the same as using packaged assets from, say, the unity store: you didn't make it, but what's more important is how you use it.

And on ai piracy and emulators, I'm just tickled by the giant ai shaped middle finger pointed at nintendo and the ai companies.

How practical :

• "everyone in this group is stupid"
• "That's wrong"
• "no but i only mean the stupid ones"

Oh I'm right there with you (and op) in your annoyance with meat proxies. I just don't want to be lumped in with them. The amount of times I deal with someone telling me "chat gpt said I need xyz thing" and I have to explain that what they're asking for is impractical/impossible/expensive/doesn't exist. And then they get mad at me about it! Fuckers.