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I've been putting it off, because it took me more than a year to migrate away from Gmail. But this is hard to ignore. I'm tired, fam.
Basically any company that you give money to is going to be led by arseholes. By definition. The only easy way is self hosting but that has its own difficulties. (And even then it’s still hosted by an arsehole)
The biggest dickhead I know runs my server.
Could be worse, your servers could be ran by the same dipshit that runs mine! I swear nothing ever gets fixed on time!
I thought he ran my servers
shrugs
GOG is a good company we all pay for.
Give it a few generations for the selection pressure of the market / the temptations of new leadership to take over.
Not with the AI generated images they use
They no longer use it.
I open it right now and all I see is flashy text with game cover art in the offers/deals pages.
DRM-free is a big plus.
Is there a source or proof on that? Or is it just that you didn't find it right now on their website?
The big drama was during their "2026 sale", where they used GenAI promotional art for the event. They also seem to have refused to confirm using GenAI, and at the time made no promise/commitment to stop.
The GOG that knowingly sent out emails with Nazi symbols in?
On some devices on some fonts
Come on man
I'm sure they gave a level-headed, reasonable, rational response
Yeah and their defense was: we knew before that it looked bad, so we didn't send it out to German speaking newsletter subscribers... Which recognised that they knew it looked the way it did, before they send it out. And even then the biggest question they never answered: Why send only that one symbol double? you know, the one symbol that "on some devices on some fonts" makes it an SS symbol, where the "intended" symbol doesn't have any meaning or reason being doubled?
I want to like GOG, but that whole affair did not portray them from their best side.
Yes go self host email, I'll wait
Oh, I've done it.... Won't do it again, but I have done it.
Try stalwart, fresh 1.0 release from last week. Modern jmap and easy to setup selfgenerated dns-zonefile.
I have found if you choose providers that do things like run on 100% sustainable energy, you tend to find the places where leadership's morals overtake their pockets. There are a few mail providers like this.
Though, I learned my lesson and bought my own domain. So this pivot should be better.
I would love to chat this through with you. I have some domains but honestly, Iʻve been told so many times to not roll my own..
Do not run your own email server - highly recommend using your own domain though. Use a provider that lets you BYO your domain. Just make sure you get your MX records correct with your DNS provider, most email providers have documentation for this.
The hard thing about email is getting all your contacts to use your he address, it is not migrating your email history. So owing the domain is the most important thing you can do.
You do not have to own your email server, if you have the domain you can go wherever.
You do then have to defend your domain name, which means making sure it will not expire and is locked.
Likewise. I never plan to host my own email server. You can bring your own domain to Proton, at least.
ngl, I feel very burried by the effort to "de-google". Like, Iʻm close, very close, and email is like the last thing to do (along with cloud backup).
Yeah, it's taken me a similar time to migrate away from Gmail and I'm not keen to repeat the process. But if this is what Proton's code quality control is going to be like going forward - employees forced to push improperly-tested code because of their unhinged CEO - I'm going to have to go through the whole process again. Sigh.
Fuck it. Let's make an easy open source email host and all the corpse can wall us out and we'll just email each other. Wait this sounds familiar.
What do you mean? That idea is brand new!
I spent the day getting things set up to leave.
Pass went to KeePass, which was easier than I expected.
Drive is now replaced with Filen.io
Standard Notes is now Obsidian
Looking at AirVPN, but not ready to pull the trigger on that yet.
Still looking for a calendar. Thunderbird has one but it's not on mobile for some reason.
The big one is mail. I was the same as you migrating from gmail so I'm learning my lesson now. Set up Thundermail today and have 3 custom domains set up. Spent hours today swapping out account emails. It's rough, but I did it to myself. I knew going full Proton ecosystem was a bad idea, but at the time I just wanted out of Google. Take your time.
Same exact situation. In fact I'm not even fully done migrating away from Gmail although most of my stuff is on Proton now. sigh I guess I'm starting all over again soon.
The only reasonably future proof solution is to get your own domain, and redirect emails sent to @yourdomain.com to your email provider.
Then you can freely change providers in the future but your email addresses stay the same. Doing that costs very little and doesn't require any self hosting, just buying a domain. Looks professional too.
I canceled my renewal but I’be been putting off finding a replacement because what you said. It’s exhausting.
If I'd only put off de-googling a bit longer before I saw the news I could have skipped this hop. Oh well...
I'm eyeballing Tuta. Anyone have other recommendations?
I’d recommend an e-mail provider that supports custom domains, so you can easily switch at any time. I personally use Purelymail; I’ve also heard good things about Fastmail and Migadu.
I mean I believe you, but thoughts on this comment: reddit
This is also a distortion. Proton has a tool that labels which code is AI-generated and which is human-written, which is important for many reasons. It can't be used to evaluate how much AI somebody is using. The design document for the tool states this clearly. This document is available to all employees: r/ProtonMail - I’m a Proton employee and I'm breaking my silence The security point
The list goes on and on. Same with the security point. I have access to that chat. Andy never said don't do pen testing. It's true, he used shitty language and he personally apologized to the whole company. However in that same security chat he also said something 404 omitted: "The baseline is, we must do this plus be faster at the same time" in reference to security testing. r/ProtonMail - I’m a Proton employee and I'm breaking my silence
He agreed with the additional pen testing, and it was even recently implemented at Proton. What he didn't agree to was it slowing down the pipeline. About hiring engineers
This quote “this is the last year that we hire engineers” is also out of context. At Proton, the engineering and product management roles are merging and we call this new discipline "Product Engineering". Proton also mostly hires product managers with engineering backgrounds. It means we stop hiring engineers who just code, and hire instead product engineers who also exercise product judgment that AI doesn’t have, not that we don’t hire engineers at all. I know this because I help with hiring for the whole company. One last thing
I want to put a few words out there that aren't about quotes or screenshots, but about my experience.
To be honest to you, we're all in a bit of a shock after reading the articles written, and some of the criticism hurts me because it described a company I don't recognize. Reading the comments on Reddit hurts me because so many of them do not reflect reality. Proton is not rushing into AI without concern for safety, it is actually being done very carefully.
If you're deciding whether to keep using Proton, I'd just ask that you make that decision after getting the full picture, and not solely on the quotes that have been intentionally taken out of context. Otherwise, you are only hurting the workers that you claim to want to protect.
The thread here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50317991 raises some valid concerns about the Reddit post in question. It explicitly even says its been approved by the company, so idunno. 404 Media has done a lot of legit exposés in the last few years. I'm inclined to trust journalists over the guy posting on Reddit with permission from Proton. The screenshots apparently included show Yen telling an employee to do damage control with their personal account on reddit, which really makes things look even worse, doesn't it?
For some reason your copy paste mangles the text, but the original seems to have some interesting context. I like 404, but it seems like they do as much click bait as anywhere else these days.
$1/month for a custom domain. One last migration. And then moving platforms is much easier because you don't need to change the email on every service.
That said, I still hear you.