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Lol, yesterday it was all, "You guys need to do something! You need to fix this! All of you Americans wanted this! You're ALL pedophile lovers!"
Today it's all, "It doesn't matter that you protested and organized and worked the polls and wrested control of your legislature and state governments back against overwhelming odds and electoral fraud and ballot fuckery and gerrymanders and billionaire cash and endless streams of propaganda from every direction and threats of ICE violence at the polls and everything else they threw at you! NO! It's not good enough and never will be!"
Good thing I concentrated my efforts on real life and not on the impossible lines in the sand laid down by people who don't even live here.
The loss of trust is not a new phenomenon. It started with GWB. It's also not connected to the USA acting against their stated core values; that is basically the default MO of American foreign policy.
It's about consistency. In world politics a decade is a short time and four years are a moment. Treaties are expected to last for generations and major shifts in a country's foreign policy are expected to be rare and usually connected to internal upheaval.
That's how the States have operated. Not always the nicest country around but a very reliable trade partner. After WWII they provided military defence to their allies as long as those allies let them be the leader of the alliance. All of this in a very reliable manner.
GWB already upset this when he started bullshit wars, expected everyone to participate, and (most Importantly) fucked with trade to coerce countries into joining him. Suddenly the USA weren't such a solid trading partner anymore. Obama had to do a lot of work to convince people that this was just a fluke and that there was no reason to reorient trade flows.
Then Trump I happened and besides all of the obvious bullshit he did he also fucked with foreign policy big time. Trade agreements (even ones that favored the USA) were voided, treaties were left, and organizations the USA themselves had built were antagonized. NATO was downgraded from a formidable America-centric alliance to one that might need to be able to work without or even against America. Trump made clear that American foreign policy fluctuating wildly between presidents was not a fluke but to be expected.
Biden could barely do anything at that point. Maybe eight years of someone more charismatic than Obama and with full parliamentary backing could've helped but the Biden presidency did jack. And even the most bestest government ever couldn't have fully undone the loss of trust in America's consistency.
Then Trump II rolled around and things got even worse. Now American policy can shift wildly within days. Trade behavior that partners need to stay consistent for decades is in constant flux. Pivoting trade and other agreements away from America-centric to multilateral is the only sane play at this point and that process will take years and cost trillions. Of course nobody is going to pivot back at a moment's notice.
Seeing American voters wake up and finally demand proper governance is amazing. Seriously, good job, guys. But what you lost internationally is not a reputation for not being Nazis, what you lost is a reputation for being consistent and reliable and the only way to rebuild that is by proving that you can play nice for decades at a time. Some things simply take a lot more time to build than to break.
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As a non-american, while the mid-term results make me feel good, and seeing all the various moves to "right the ship" is great, the fact that so much trust, which much of the world treated as foundational in many ways, was so easily broken in the first place, is what I feel gives the rest of the world pause. It's a basic fact that breaking trust is easy, building it is way harder, and SOOOOO much trust was broken globally by the Trump administration.
I'm hopeful, but I do agree that building trust back is gonna be a multi-generational thing and quite likely, people are going to put more systems in place to never HAVE to trust another nation as much as much of the world used to trust the US. I do believe some things were irevocably broken, but that doesn't meant things can't get better.
You've written as though I am heartbroken or offended that no one trusts the US, or that somehow the facts of the matter have all escaped me and I don't actually know how President Krasnov has gone out of his way to offend every single one of our allies beyond their tolerance point and likely beyond repair. Not at all. Look at my post history.
Even so I have no problem at all with what you just wrote, beyond the fact that you seem to think Americans have zero idea that this is not all there is, and far more change must come, or that you think Americans unilaterally want the world's trust back. No. The world has changed, and we are all changing with it.
The US has absolutely broken the world's trust, and to be perfectly honest, as an American I'm not sure we ever deserved it, nor that we should ever have it back. Europe needed to have been building its own defenses and resources already, ditto Canada. The entire world -- and especially those countries that so easily withdrew resources and wealth before fucking back off to cooler climes -- needs to be helping the third world.
Again, to be blunt, what you call "trust" as a non-American, I call my own American tax dollars that went somewhere other than helping me. So don't think it's the be-all and end-all to me that we've lost it. I'd like some fucking healthcare and not have to pay $2k for a goddamn thyroid panel (insurance thing, true story), and you can build your own national resources.
It can no longer be denied that there is a great deal of corruption at the bottom of that lost international "trust," and while I would not seek to directly insult you personally, the absolute truth is that not all the corruption was or is American. It may well be best at every level to just leave "trust" shattered as it is now and let the new alliances emerge where they may; at the very least, every country or power will be forced to pull its own weight.
But back to the comment I replied to earlier. The difference between what you wrote and the other one is sincerity: you, personally, are obviously sincere. Or at least you do not expect Americans who are very clearly on the side of wanting the same things you do to be your very own punching bags of discontent while the world does not change fast enough for you personally.
But there's something else. When Hungary overthrew Orban, or when Serbia threw out their autocrat, or even when Brazil threw out Bolsonaro, I didn't see dogpilers coming out online to attack. They celebrated, and we overwhelmingly celebrated with them. Everybody in the world knows this is not an overnight thing.
But then again, those countries are not the subject of a protracted decade-long online disinformation and manipulation effort. Mine is. And if there's anything that sticks out as a bad faith comment, it's what I just replied to.
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I would also add that fascistic ideology is on the rise everywhere, and that every nation has its own history of systemic oppression and/or imperialism to reckon with.
The U.S. may be in the hot seat, and rightly so, but if you aren’t individually actively engaged in dismantling systems of oppression and building a better world where you live, other than voting every election cycle, you have no high horse from which to condescend.
I think making an actual international antifascist org that just goes around doing inglorious basterds shit wherever this poisonous slime surfaces would be a very smart move for humanity.
It really would. I’d join in a heartbeat.
I envy your wordsmithing ability. Also, I agree with a lot of what you wrote.
I doubt that I will ever travel to murikkka again in my lifetime. I'm at the prove it point in my life. I don't give a shit about talking points anymore I want to see action. And murikkka needs a Nuremberg level action for me to even start considering it
same and I live here
Pretty much the same for me. I've got close family in the US that I haven't seen since before the second Trump administration. Have been invited over multiple times but did not and still do not feel safe going there.
I live here, and I don't trust Americans after this shit.
You're also a three day old account on an Australian instance, with 234 comments in just three days, mostly Nazi killing content, who has posted that you "live here" more than once on just this thread alone.
For myself, I like quokk.au and looked into joining it, but the response times are way too slow for me on the East Coast.
Also, if you could clarify:
After what shit, specifically? It's kind of a strange thing to say. Me, I haven't trusted Americans my entire life, being one, but you -- some unnamed shit has changed everything about trusting the people of your own land. What might that shit be that has now ended for you and made you feel safe enough to share your concerns?
its true I didn't super trust them on a personal level, but after this I don't trust Americans to manage a McDonald's, wipe their own asses, or walk five steps without deciding everything bad that ever happened to them was caused by The Jews. I was kind of a misanthrope before all this, I thought I'd found the floor, and these mother fuckers burrowed through the mantle.
Huh. I'd have conceded us at least clean asses for the most part, but okay. I can't say I've ever really looked at my fellow Americans in exactly that light, or known any that do, but thank you for clarifying.
Any reason you still want to make your life and home among us?
I'm poor and you don't fix problems by running away.
Fair enough. But to be honest I struggle to understand how you can despise and mistrust the people of my country from your heart, to the extreme extent you describe above, characterize us all as you do in the absolutely hopeless and irredeemable terms you used, and then talk about solving problems by not running away from us.
It makes no sense. That overwhelming contempt will not a single filthy American ass wipe clean.
You're right about Mickey D's, though.