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The Biden administration last week put a hold on a shipment of U.S.-made ammunition to Israel, two Israeli officials told Axios.

Why it matters: It is the first time since the Oct. 7 attack that the U.S. has stopped a weapons shipment intended for the Israeli military. The incident raised serious concerns inside the Israeli government and sent officials scrambling to understand why the shipment was held, Israeli officials said. President Biden is facing sharp criticism among Americans who oppose his support of Israel. The administration in February asked Israel to provide assurances that U.S.-made weapons were being used by Israel Defense Forces in Gaza in accordance with international law. Israel provided a signed letter of assurances in March.

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (5 children)

It was initially for defense after a massacre when the Iron Dome was breached in October. That was completely justified support. The munitions sold since Netanyahu began indiscriminately killing Palestinians are not.

[–] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 45 points 6 months ago (19 children)

They've been indiscriminately killing Palestinians long before October.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They've been indiscriminately killing Palestinians long before October.

And during that very long time, Eisenhower, Johnson, Ford, Nixon, Regan, Clinton, both Bushes, Carter, Obama, Trump and until recently Biden didn’t stop selling Israel weapons.

And now Biden has started to cut them off.

[–] juicy@lemmy.today 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Reagan held up arms shipments to Israel on multiple occasions.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

He did not. He withheld all aid from Israel, and then provided military aid under the agreement that they’d use it to attack Hezbollah in Lebanon. That was after he sold the weapons to Iran in the Iran-Contra scandal that ended up in the hands of Hezbollah.

The man literally put this shit pot on the stove and started stirring. Do not glorify his actions in this conflict.

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[–] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml 23 points 6 months ago (15 children)

I don't think it's possible to justify support for apartheid.

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It was never justified and this didn't start that day

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Correct. Killing Palestinians is not justified. What I wrote was providing defense to an ally that was just attacked is standard, and justified.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Nobody needs 2000lb bombs - which the US itself doesn't use because they blow up entire quarters and have massive collateral damage - for defense.

[–] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

This is the equivalent of someone taking your house and throwing you in the basement and then when you come out and attack decades later they fight back and say its for self defense. Please.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

So Native Americans should just start murdering Americans until they leave? One state is the only equitable solution at this point.

[–] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)
  1. I'm not against a one state solution
  2. Stolen land/property should be given back
  3. Your example is disanalgous, run the clock back to when the colonies were being formed. If a colonist from Europe came and took their house or the land they use or live on they have every right to fight back.
  4. If a colonist attacks me and kills my family I have a right to fight back. If I fight back then its not self defense for them but for me.
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[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

No one in Israel wants that.

Also, this comparison is very apt. Israelis explicitly want to get to the point where they have the land and can just give land acknowledgments. This view though is dependent on "Never Again'' meaning nothing.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

20% of Israeli Jews and most Arab/Palestinian Israelis are in support of a one state solution, with numbers increasing as the older generations die off. Vilification of Israelis is no different than the dehumanization of Palestinians that you’re protesting. No group of people deserves simplification.

https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Summary%20Report_%20English_Joint%20Poll%2024%20Jan%202023.pdf

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I edited my comment while you responded. That was not done maliciously.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

I did the same after reading your edit. Lol

[–] Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I thought most surveys showed like 30-40% of israelis were in support of a single-state solution?

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

That’s a two-state solution, and not really equitable to Palestinians.

[–] daltotron@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

So Native Americans should just start murdering Americans until they leave?

wellllll...

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Oh they haven't waited in the basement for decades. This has been an ongoing thing since Israeli terrorists took control of the region in 1948.