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[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world 47 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Imagine if the DNC and liberal media apparatus had supported his presidential campaign instead of doing everything they could to kneecap it.

Really was a massive mistake to push Clinton and the pied piper strategy.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Sanders has historically been Israel-friendly. This heel-turn has been the result of enormous public pressure from his leftist base.

Its possible that a President Sanders would have been equally receptive to shifts in public attitude towards Israel. But I wager that his willingness to bend towards popular sentiment is precisely the reason the DNC / Liberal Media won't back him. They want their Bush / McCain / Biden stubborn conservatism, because its better for fundraising among elites and feeds into the DC Media idea of "integrity".

You have to remember that "populism" has become a dirty word in American politics, particularly among DC elites. Its very much Us-versus-Them for the insider class. Caving to "Them" is seen as a sign of weakness and betrayal.

Really was a massive mistake to push Clinton and the pied piper strategy.

It worked in so far as it got us to Biden, eventually. Neoliberals were willing to suffer 4 years of reactionary social politics to cement their economic gains. And they'll be willing to do it again in November, if it means "Biden was too much of a leftist" is the message ingrained on people's brains when he loses.

[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

If that's the take away from a Biden loss then totalitarianism really is inevitable in this country because it would indicate that the only party in a position to resist fascism, has refused to ever do so.

I suppose we'll see, though you'd never catch me betting against neoliberal stupidity.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

the only party in a position to resist fascism, has refused to ever do so.

Real Weimer Republic Hours. The Friekorps will drag Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht out back and shoot them, for organizing students in a protest against the state. But they can only ever managed to deliver a slap on the wrist to a young German officer and Beer Hall afficianado, before annointing him Chancellor in an electoral wave year.

you’d never catch me betting against neoliberal stupidity

The US has been running on fumes since the 2008 financial crash. Even if Biden manages to eek out another 40,000 vote win-margin by November, he's stuck with a Congress that hates him and an economy that's powered entirely by magic beans. That means we get another Trump/Trump-adjacent candidate in 2028 and 2032 and 2036 and...

[–] Veraxus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I think it's possible to be both a Zionist (Zionist-lite?) AND opposed to mass murder and genocide... including that of the native Palestinian population.

[–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

idk, at this point it feels like saying you're a Republican because you support Abraham Lincoln's ideas

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Given the history of Zionism as a nation-building policy, I think it would be very hard to divorce the existence of a Jewish Majority state from the methods by which that Jewish Majority is secured. You'd have about as much luck trying to justify right-of-return for Afrikaner Boers or Japanese Imperialists or Oklahoma Sooners. The goals of the state are inseparable from the methods they used to mark their claim and secure their ethnic majority.

A native Palestinian population is a threat to an Israeli state simply by not being Jewish. As the Palestinian population expands, the threat expands with it. And so Zionist Jews are compelled to perform a periodic culling of the population, in order to maintain their majority.