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[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 51 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Changing to Linux means, people...:

  • need to have an understanding of operating systems, so they can think about alternatives
  • need to be aware of the actual alternative
  • need to be willing to learn something new
  • need to be willing to leave some applications or games behind
  • need to choose a Linux distribution
  • need the technical ability and understanding to actually download, flash and boot from boot system, install it and setup initial, such as root password and such

These are basic and trivial stuff for us, but most normies don't have this understanding and interest to go this far. And then it depends if they are happy and stay. Even if every PC manufacturer and distributor would offere the same PC with Windows and Linux, most would just choose Windows (probably). This is the current reality.

[–] overload@sopuli.xyz 26 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Such a hard agree. My wife won't even let me install Linux, which takes out the more technical aspects of the above.

She's just comfortable on Windows. Most people don't want to learn something new and even fewer actually care about privacy.

Edit: Us Linux users assume that if Windows gets bad enough people will switch to Linux, when we all should face facts that normies will much sooner switch to Mac.

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

that normies will much sooner switch to Mac.

Rich normies.

[–] overload@sopuli.xyz 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sure, for the mac pro line with specs that us nerds care about.

I think some of those M1 mac airs are really affordable now though. For casual use it would be a good device for a tech illiterate person.

[–] realbadat@programming.dev 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Or a mini.

I have an M2 mini I use for iOS builds, cheap enough for me to buy and stick in the rack to use for remote builds. I got that a year ago for $600ish iirc.

[–] overload@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah man. Apple still screws people when it comes to ram and storage options of course, but the base products are actually pretty good for the money.

[–] realbadat@programming.dev 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yep... It's permanently where it's at at purchase.

Which is fine, I don't store anything on there (Jenkins automations to build, local git repo on another machine, output goes to NAS), but it's ridiculous how much the upgrades cost.

If I didn't need a build target for iOS I wouldn't have bothered with it, that's for sure.

[–] overload@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 months ago

I might be biased running a NAS as well, but I'm not fussed about having a tonne of storage on-device. Yeah agreed it is bonkas how much they charge for that extra 8GB of RAM. Default should for sure be 16 by now.

[–] Jesus_666@feddit.de 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Mostly yes but there's one other option that simplifies the whole thing: Chromebooks. They're actually pretty decent for someone who doesn't need much beyond a browser, a mail client, and a basic office suite.

Sure, they're tied to Google with all that entails but they can be a real option for someone like a senior who relies on relatives for tech support.

[–] linuxPIPEpower@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 months ago

I agree. Chromebooks are a viable choice for those who want a web terminal. I used one for about a year. Got the job done.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Something I've never checked for but...are there any linux installers that run from within windows? Shrink the windows partition, create a linux partition, populate it, install grub, and tell the user to reboot and choose linux? I think general lack of good ext4 fs support in windows might make things difficult, but you don't actually need to do that part from within windows. There could be a second installer that's triggered the first time they boot from grub.

I feel like a well supported installer like that would dramatically lower the barrier to entry. It could make dual booting windows a breeze for anyone who knows how to run an installer and reboot, which is what people actually want.

[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 4 points 6 months ago

This sounds awesome idea. Not sure if there is a technical reason why this could not be done. On the other hand, Windows already has WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux, is it still called like that?). All antivirus programs would probably go nuts. Windows itself is a restricted system and some things need to be done before booting into Windows. I assume if it was possible, then this would have been done before. At least I never heard about this. The best way is to have a preinstalled Linux on hardware.

[–] swab148@startrek.website 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Q4OS has an installer like that, but you have to change the boot order after installation, I don't think it uses grub.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 months ago

Nice, indeed it looks like it does! Wonder if that installer could be packaged and licensed in a way that more distros could use it.